(August 4, 2016 at 4:32 am)chimp3 Wrote:(August 4, 2016 at 3:08 am)Godschild Wrote: Please, please, please learn what the Bible actually says before you try to argue against it and God. It really makes you look stupid to the Christians here and the atheist if they were honest wouldn't have much respect for you. If we were doing a face to face debate before a crowd you would get laughed out of the building.
Acts 5King James Version (KJV)
5 But a certain man named Ananias, with Sapphira his wife, sold a possession,
2 And kept back part of the price, his wife also being privy to it, and brought a certain part, and laid it at the apostles' feet.
3 But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land?
4 Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.
5 And Ananias hearing these words fell down, and gave up the ghost: and great fear came on all them that heard these things.
6 And the young men arose, wound him up, and carried him out, and buried him.
7 And it was about the space of three hours after, when his wife, not knowing what was done, came in.
8 And Peter answered unto her, Tell me whether ye sold the land for so much? And she said, Yea, for so much.
9 Then Peter said unto her, How is it that ye have agreed together to tempt the Spirit of the Lord? behold, the feet of them which have buried thy husband are at the door, and shall carry thee out.
10 Then fell she down straightway at his feet, and yielded up the ghost: and the young men came in, and found her dead, and, carrying her forth, buried her by her husband.
11 And great fear came upon all the church, and upon as many as heard these things.
God is like the Godfather. Pay up or get whacked!
Surely you can understand the reason for Ananias and Sapphira's death after reading those passages, if not then let me explain it to you, they were punished for lying to the Holy Spirit. As Peter said they did not have to sale their land and when they did they didn't have to give any of it to the church. They lied about what they were going to do and tried to cover it up. I had ninth graders in my youth class and they could understand this.
GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.