thanks, god.

[fr0d0]

I would't call that gratitude but a realization that you are more fortunate than others. I see nothing to be grateful for.

I can go for that.

Who would I be grateful to? If I was rescued yes, I;d be very grateful to those who rescued me and who offered me help and comfort in my time of need but if I simply survived who exactly would I be grateful to? I'd be happy to have survived, consider myself lucky but grateful? I don't think so.

Do you have to be grateful to someone? Why can't you just be grateful yourself, alone. this is what I meant.

Why would I? I'd simply consider myself lucky.

Lucky implies superstition. I don't think 'grateful' works as you've highlighted. I didn't mean it in relation to something external, and I said that.

I don't have a god and as has been said to you before your "god of nature" is pointless since you seem to be giving something a name which already has one, one that is perfectly adequate.

You just define a God so I call that yours. It isn't mine. Nature isn't God, but as God is in everything, God is in Nature. i.e. nature doesn't define God.

More fool you then ... I have no god, period!

You have no god yet you put a description of a god forward. I think I'm justified in addressing your description.

. God is the whole thing rather than a micro event. God is always good. That doesn't always coincide with our interests. It'd be egotistical to think otherwise. Nature is beautiful, good and bad.

If god is always good, explain all of the genocide described in the bible. Countless innocents 'died' (of course im agreeing what take place in the bible is true for the sake of argument) for the sake of what is 'good'? Because the bible demands of us to follow the example of god are we to randomly destory each other or go to hell becuase we want to live the life we want to?

Like I've said, I don't see death as necessarily bad. Yeah we feel sad when other humans die. Nazi genocide was awful, yet we use it to learn a lesson. The genocide wasn't good, but the lesson is good.

Your god seem to be full of emotion making judgements randomly rather like a Dragonforce riff (for those of you who dont know: http://www.clevver.com/music/video/14037...lames.html). For example:

Numbers 15:35
'And the Lord said unto Moses, The man [who was found picking up sticks on the sabbath] shall be surely put to death; all the congregation shall stone him with stones.'

ok, man picks up sticks (to make a fire, living?) on a sunday, therefore he should die..... have i lost you yet?

Nope. A society places a lot of emphasis on everyone following the rules. It reads like it would be a very obvious visible protest. The society took on with mortal seriousness there new rules. These rulings are superseded by Jesus in the gospels.

hopfully not cuase Exodus 23:7 says somthing that contradicts Numbers: 'The innocent and righteous slay thou not. '
you can say that the man is guilty for living the life he wanted to, but really he isnt. God in this instant is EVIL, he demands complete domination over his 'children' without comprimise rather like a dictator.

I think it's saying God can judge, people can't. If they're convicted so strongly of gods will they kill. In their own strength their instructed not to.

If God is a dictator and we are saying we should follow him (and in turn be granted 'salvation') blindly, you have already damnmed youself for saying: "That doesn't always coincide with our interests". You're quite blatantly disagreeing with god (i would get suntan lotion ready buddy ).

I'm not saying we should follow him blindly. Neither is the Bible. No - God's actions don't necessarily coincide with our interests. My statement is consistent I believe.

Also to finish up: Your argument was already moot when you said: 'Nature is beautiful, good and bad.' Cuase you already said: 'God is always good.' Because your blible told you essentialy that nature is an extention of god (ergo he created it), you have contradicted yourself by saying god is both good and evil (after saying he is absolute good).

So before we continue....tell me is god good or evil?

You missed it: Nature is beautiful, good and bad. Nature is good, both good & bad. Nature is always good.

God is good.