ISIS is the Sauds. The Sauds own ISIS. It's America's cold war gift.

[WinterHold]

Meh. I've already stated before how much I dislike American involvement with Middle-Eastern powers. That includes Saudi. I wouldn't go as far as saying ISIS is an American invention though. Is The USA partly to blame for setting up the environment that made ISIS possible? Absolutely. I don't think that's too much of a secret by now, especially to people like me who were enlisted in the war that followed 9/11. I think you are taking things to a bit of an extreme though. This is how conspiracy theories happen.

The involvement of foreign powers in this region dates back to thousands of years; since the time of the Romans themselves; they even had a version of the Empire here in the desert, called "the Eastern Roman Empire/ The Byzantine Empire". The region also witnessed Asian brutality seen in the Mongol hellish invasions, preceded and followed by European crusades, and in the modern era Europeans came back to invade, bringing a new friend specialized in mass executions and mass murder; called the U.S.A -hell; these Americans annihilated a whole nation before they come beating the drums of war in the region !-. All of that resulted in a vert big messy situation.

Away from historical lectures; it's an infinite loop.of foreign hordes raiding the region, either for the warm waters, or for simply the sun rays that towns like London always missed, fresh fruit and olives, black gold (oil)...etc.

The problem is, the people of these invading nations never want to admit the sins of their ancestors, or their own, even if they met a Muslim like me, jeester, who admits every tiny sin committed by ancient Muslims (like invading Spain and kidnapping blonde women).

I don't know what you saw, or what you experinced; jeester, but I saw death, flesh, blood, all in the name of false ideas and cranky ideologies that can't fair against logic. Speaking in the context of this topic, the Sauds are murderers, the war that followed 9/11 has their fingerprints allover; I wasn't kidding when I said they are ISIS; the colored version, they are criminals:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saud_bin_A...er_Al_Saud

When I say that this royal family is not even close to Islam or not even closer to practicing it (and millions of orher activists) atheist christians jews budhits and hindus attack me, assault me, tin-foil me. Even if I brought a video that exposes them, or brought a videoed story of how homosexuality is prohibited for the people YET ALLOWED IN THE DORMS OF THE SAUDS.

Is the Uncle Sam -poor, poor uncle sam !- with all of his CIA, can see what the Sauds are?
Is poor uncle sam, so ignorant of the fact, that handshaking the sauds is literally killing me, and allowing them to torture me and chase me, EVEN IN GRAND INTERNATIONAL HOTELS, UNDER CCTVS ??

No, Jeester. I have a rebellious mind; one that kings hate and fear so much, despise so much (they have whole gulags and prisons for the like of me!). I'm not a tinfoil

Only americans with atomic weapons get respect from such filth.
Human rights are a fake. I, and so many, are dying under torture, but perhaps the west wanted such regimes all along?

To do the dirty work as a proxy, instead of direct intervention like the case of Rome and the Crusades??

InsaneDane

Yes. It's pretty ignorant to blame the west alone; no, the sin is ...10% western, and 90% Muslim, perhaps?
The torturer is not an American: he's actually an Arab; a Middle Eastern local. 

But the 10% do get their hands dirty, like in Abu-Ghuraib.
Sometimes the 10% becomes 100% like in the 2003 invasion of Iraq, or the help in transplanting Israel in the region -to get rid of the Jewish ghettos in Europe-.

But to know the size of the involvement in every time frame, just look at who shall earn what.
It's all about natural resources; and believe it or not: even DRUGS.
I mean the British Empire was officially the drug dealer of China, and had a war with the Chinese over that.

So, it's like "throwing a grenade in the hole then blame the mole rats for the *boooooooof" ".Yes; the Chinese were lazy addicts, but was that addiction possible without Britain acting like the rich, huge supplier?

Saying yes means selfishness and an imperial mentality.
Saying no means ignorance.

Choose an answer.
Again, the link that documents how the british empire worked in the drug industry,and murded thousands in its bloody journey:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opium_Wars

The Afghani people never asked for invasion. The ones who asked were "a small minority", that wanted the help of the U.S's aid against the USSR and its hordes. America obeyed the Opium deal and answered with stinger packages, Osama Bin Laden, Saudi Jihadists. It was the beginning of the cursed black flags. The beginning of Sunni alliance with the CIA under the banner of Saudi Arabia, the good o'l Arabi Muzlem agent that served Britian so well then turned to serving the U.S.

The Taliban themselves are proxy, managed and maintained by Pakistan, the American ally; that gave Osama a long period of rest.

What I mainly criticize in your comment, is that small subsets don't represent the whole population. Not all Germans were Nazis, not all Europeans are imperialistic invades, not all American soldiers take joy in torturing and killing civilians.

The Taliban is not the whole Afghani people; Karzai is not the Afghani people, ISIS is not all of Muslims, and people who carry the Saudi passport are not all the Sauds.

RiptilianPoen

The sword is a curved Arabian swords -The same that they use capital punishments-; aside from using this type of swords for execution, it is a very good representation for the Bedwin mentality; that "unique" mindset; as if it was a message that reads : "Follow us; or else !"





Where does ISIS come from? who sponsers it with cash, passports and weapons? I think these pictures pretty much talk for themselves

ISIS is not the property of Bush or Obama or even Clinton, ISIS is the private army of the U.S and Israel. They use it to deliever slaps to whomever they want in the region, when the Houthies in Yemen began to kick Saudi ass, ISIS jumped to the rescue and ironically began to fight the enemies of the Sauds.

Who are ISIS? They are the people above wearing masks.
Hilary, Trump, to me it makes no difference. Nobody will fight the establishment; and its dogs. 

Still, the leaders of the west & terrorists dance together with curved swords and come the next day lecturing us about "freedom and human rights".

And Busta Rhymes sings:





Rhythm

You're talking to a person who is positively -driven- to absolve islam of blame in any particular.  He doesn't even think that those "other muslims" are Real Muslims™.  The problems of islam, and the middle east, are -always- someone else's doing.  GL to you all the same, though.

What can I do? I mean taking "infedels" as military trainers is enough to unMuslim a Muslim.



I'll be fooling myself to call them Muslims, I mean that would make me fail every Sherlock Holmes novel out there ! 

and ignoring that reminds me of:





What I simply mean is : "lol, you really fell for the bluff, and thought the Arabs were real Muslims ?? xD".
If they were, believe me, they wouldn't dance with curve swords side by side to infdel armies, at least they would've had the guts to serve their own cause using their own muscles instead of crying to Sam's great abs, at every Russian eye blink at their sorry lame limp reality that tortures to shut people up.

I volunteered beforehand, and I was a peacekeeper beforehand, but I saw myself as a peacekeeper afterwards as well.  I wasn't in the service to kill terrorists, I was in it to help people. That has someting to do with my sub-mos training as an in-theatre trainer more than an assualter of enemy assets (MOUT).....though as part of that I obviously trained alot of people on how to assault enemy buildings in contested streets or cities...the focus was more on clearing buildings with minimal civilian casualties when those civilians were being held or otherwise leveraged by militants..than it was on destroying the building -as- an enemy asset.  I appreciate that you acknowledge motivations like that.

No, you don't get to do the dirty job. You -and your whole squad- were a decoy; something to give to the media.





In reality, though:

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