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Why is life programmed to survive?
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RE: Why is life programmed to survive?
(August 29, 2016 at 2:19 am)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:
(August 28, 2016 at 11:56 pm)Arkilogue Wrote: The original order is no more.

That doesn't matter. When measuring entropy, what matters is relative order. The original order may be no more -- it may be replaced by a higher level of orderliness -- and that is certainly not entropy.

The original order of a metal ore -- say, bauxite -- is entirely destroyed by the extraction of the aluminum. That doesn't mean that you have increased chaos. Indeed, because you've separated the aluminum and the dross, you've increased the order, locally.
Locally...what about globally? As in all the external ramifications of the entire process at all affected locations, not just the shiny trinket at the end.

In the mining/metal smelting example we are exploring, it seems a great deal of environmental destruction (disorder) is require to make a very little amount of ordered/refined material.

Of course are biased to think highly of the ordered part because we get to play with the shiny trinket at the end.
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Why is life programmed to survive? - by Macoleco - August 28, 2016 at 9:17 pm
RE: Why is life programmed to survive? - by Chad32 - August 28, 2016 at 9:24 pm
RE: Why is life programmed to survive? - by Macoleco - August 28, 2016 at 9:30 pm
RE: Why is life programmed to survive? - by Thumpalumpacus - August 28, 2016 at 10:21 pm
RE: Why is life programmed to survive? - by quip - August 29, 2016 at 5:05 pm
RE: Why is life programmed to survive? - by Alex K - August 28, 2016 at 9:31 pm
RE: Why is life programmed to survive? - by PETE_ROSE - August 28, 2016 at 9:36 pm
RE: Why is life programmed to survive? - by Whateverist - August 28, 2016 at 10:49 pm
RE: Why is life programmed to survive? - by Arkilogue - August 28, 2016 at 10:53 pm
RE: Why is life programmed to survive? - by ScienceAf - August 28, 2016 at 10:54 pm
RE: Why is life programmed to survive? - by Whateverist - August 28, 2016 at 11:02 pm
RE: Why is life programmed to survive? - by Arkilogue - August 28, 2016 at 11:24 pm
RE: Why is life programmed to survive? - by Whateverist - August 28, 2016 at 11:39 pm
RE: Why is life programmed to survive? - by Arkilogue - August 28, 2016 at 11:56 pm
RE: Why is life programmed to survive? - by Whateverist - August 29, 2016 at 1:26 am
RE: Why is life programmed to survive? - by Arkilogue - August 29, 2016 at 2:10 am
RE: Why is life programmed to survive? - by Whateverist - August 29, 2016 at 2:57 am
RE: Why is life programmed to survive? - by Arkilogue - August 29, 2016 at 3:49 am
RE: Why is life programmed to survive? - by Whateverist - August 29, 2016 at 1:23 pm
RE: Why is life programmed to survive? - by Arkilogue - August 29, 2016 at 2:03 pm
RE: Why is life programmed to survive? - by Whateverist - August 29, 2016 at 4:43 pm
RE: Why is life programmed to survive? - by Arkilogue - August 29, 2016 at 5:10 pm
RE: Why is life programmed to survive? - by Thumpalumpacus - August 29, 2016 at 8:13 pm
RE: Why is life programmed to survive? - by Arkilogue - August 29, 2016 at 8:14 pm
RE: Why is life programmed to survive? - by Thumpalumpacus - August 29, 2016 at 2:19 am
RE: Why is life programmed to survive? - by Arkilogue - August 29, 2016 at 2:30 am
RE: Why is life programmed to survive? - by Thumpalumpacus - August 29, 2016 at 2:43 am
RE: Why is life programmed to survive? - by Arkilogue - August 29, 2016 at 3:00 am
RE: Why is life programmed to survive? - by Thumpalumpacus - August 29, 2016 at 3:04 am
RE: Why is life programmed to survive? - by ScienceAf - August 28, 2016 at 10:24 pm
RE: Why is life programmed to survive? - by Thumpalumpacus - August 28, 2016 at 10:25 pm
RE: Why is life programmed to survive? - by ScienceAf - August 28, 2016 at 10:27 pm
RE: Why is life programmed to survive? - by Jackalope - August 28, 2016 at 10:27 pm
RE: Why is life programmed to survive? - by ScienceAf - August 28, 2016 at 10:29 pm
RE: Why is life programmed to survive? - by Jackalope - August 28, 2016 at 10:38 pm
RE: Why is life programmed to survive? - by ScienceAf - August 28, 2016 at 10:30 pm
RE: Why is life programmed to survive? - by Thumpalumpacus - August 28, 2016 at 10:34 pm
RE: Why is life programmed to survive? - by Arkilogue - August 28, 2016 at 10:47 pm
RE: Why is life programmed to survive? - by Thumpalumpacus - August 28, 2016 at 11:27 pm
RE: Why is life programmed to survive? - by Arkilogue - August 28, 2016 at 11:37 pm
RE: Why is life programmed to survive? - by Thumpalumpacus - August 29, 2016 at 2:14 am
RE: Why is life programmed to survive? - by Arkilogue - August 29, 2016 at 2:25 am
RE: Why is life programmed to survive? - by Thumpalumpacus - August 29, 2016 at 2:38 am
RE: Why is life programmed to survive? - by Arkilogue - August 29, 2016 at 2:51 am
RE: Why is life programmed to survive? - by Thumpalumpacus - August 29, 2016 at 3:02 am
RE: Why is life programmed to survive? - by ScienceAf - August 28, 2016 at 10:51 pm
RE: Why is life programmed to survive? - by Arkilogue - August 28, 2016 at 10:58 pm
RE: Why is life programmed to survive? - by Thumpalumpacus - August 29, 2016 at 2:05 am
RE: Why is life programmed to survive? - by Thumpalumpacus - August 28, 2016 at 11:29 pm
RE: Why is life programmed to survive? - by ScienceAf - August 29, 2016 at 12:58 am
RE: Why is life programmed to survive? - by ignoramus - August 28, 2016 at 10:44 pm
RE: Why is life programmed to survive? - by Whateverist - August 28, 2016 at 10:44 pm
RE: Why is life programmed to survive? - by The Grand Nudger - August 28, 2016 at 11:02 pm
RE: Why is life programmed to survive? - by CapnAwesome - August 28, 2016 at 11:04 pm
RE: Why is life programmed to survive? - by The Grand Nudger - August 28, 2016 at 11:38 pm
RE: Why is life programmed to survive? - by Arkilogue - August 28, 2016 at 11:48 pm
RE: Why is life programmed to survive? - by The Grand Nudger - August 28, 2016 at 11:55 pm
RE: Why is life programmed to survive? - by deleteduser12345 - August 29, 2016 at 1:55 am
RE: Why is life programmed to survive? - by Jenny A - August 29, 2016 at 1:55 am
RE: Why is life programmed to survive? - by Macoleco - August 29, 2016 at 2:04 am
RE: Why is life programmed to survive? - by Thumpalumpacus - August 29, 2016 at 2:23 am
RE: Why is life programmed to survive? - by deleteduser12345 - August 29, 2016 at 2:32 am
RE: Why is life programmed to survive? - by Macoleco - August 29, 2016 at 2:07 am
RE: Why is life programmed to survive? - by deleteduser12345 - August 29, 2016 at 2:28 am
RE: Why is life programmed to survive? - by Arkilogue - August 29, 2016 at 2:34 am
RE: Why is life programmed to survive? - by Thumpalumpacus - August 29, 2016 at 2:45 am
RE: Why is life programmed to survive? - by Arkilogue - August 29, 2016 at 3:06 am
RE: Why is life programmed to survive? - by Thumpalumpacus - August 29, 2016 at 12:59 pm
RE: Why is life programmed to survive? - by deleteduser12345 - August 29, 2016 at 2:50 am
RE: Why is life programmed to survive? - by deleteduser12345 - August 29, 2016 at 2:56 am
RE: Why is life programmed to survive? - by Jenny A - August 29, 2016 at 3:31 am
RE: Why is life programmed to survive? - by downbeatplumb - August 29, 2016 at 5:00 am
RE: Why is life programmed to survive? - by Whateverist - August 29, 2016 at 12:52 pm
RE: Why is life programmed to survive? - by Yoo - August 29, 2016 at 6:51 am
RE: Why is life programmed to survive? - by LastPoet - August 29, 2016 at 10:15 am
RE: Why is life programmed to survive? - by Whateverist - August 29, 2016 at 10:27 am
RE: Why is life programmed to survive? - by The Grand Nudger - August 29, 2016 at 10:54 am
RE: Why is life programmed to survive? - by purplepurpose - August 29, 2016 at 11:04 am
RE: Why is life programmed to survive? - by Whateverist - August 29, 2016 at 1:13 pm
Why is life programmed to survive? - by LadyForCamus - August 29, 2016 at 1:47 pm
RE: Why is life programmed to survive? - by Arkilogue - August 29, 2016 at 2:36 pm
RE: Why is life programmed to survive? - by Arkilogue - August 29, 2016 at 3:04 pm
RE: Why is life programmed to survive? - by Edwardo Piet - August 29, 2016 at 2:51 pm
RE: Why is life programmed to survive? - by Whateverist - August 29, 2016 at 4:49 pm
RE: Why is life programmed to survive? - by Thumpalumpacus - August 29, 2016 at 5:00 pm
RE: Why is life programmed to survive? - by Arkilogue - August 29, 2016 at 5:06 pm
RE: Why is life programmed to survive? - by Thumpalumpacus - August 29, 2016 at 8:05 pm
RE: Why is life programmed to survive? - by Arkilogue - August 29, 2016 at 8:11 pm
RE: Why is life programmed to survive? - by Thumpalumpacus - August 29, 2016 at 8:21 pm
RE: Why is life programmed to survive? - by Thumpalumpacus - August 29, 2016 at 8:09 pm
RE: Why is life programmed to survive? - by Arkilogue - August 29, 2016 at 5:34 pm
RE: Why is life programmed to survive? - by Arkilogue - August 29, 2016 at 5:41 pm
RE: Why is life programmed to survive? - by Arkilogue - August 29, 2016 at 6:10 pm
RE: Why is life programmed to survive? - by Arkilogue - August 29, 2016 at 6:24 pm
RE: Why is life programmed to survive? - by Thumpalumpacus - August 29, 2016 at 8:20 pm

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