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Why is life programmed to survive?
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RE: Why is life programmed to survive?
(August 29, 2016 at 2:10 am)Arkilogue Wrote:
(August 29, 2016 at 1:26 am)Whateverist Wrote: Of course.  And life does this as it must in whatever way it does and the survivors reproduce.  What do you think we are arguing about?  I concede that everything must be accommodated by life .. forces, materials, predators, same-niche competitors, you name it.  You keep mentioning more of these but why?  

My only point is that none of these things are exercising intention.  There is not only no designer there is also no plan being carried out of any kind.  Do you speak zen?  Do you know the poem:


Similarly life does not intend to survive to reproduce itself, rather, that which survives to reproduce will most often produce more life of the same kind because that is all that it can do.  The cosmos has no mind to impose anything, rather, the cosmos just is the totality of forces and materials with which all life must contend.  Is there intentionality behind the composition of the cosmos?  Of what would that consist?  I don't think so.
Does order and design require intention?

Well you sure do seem to want to say something in that direction. If you mean "design" in the sense of just the way a thing happens to be structured without suggesting "according to a plan" then perhaps we have no argument.

According to wiki:

Quote:Design is the creation of a plan or convention for the construction of an object, system or measurable human interaction (as in architectural blueprints, engineering drawings, business processes, circuit diagrams, and sewing patterns).[1] Design has different connotations in different fields (see design disciplines below). In some cases, the direct construction of an object (as in pottery, engineering, management, coding, and graphic design) is also considered to be design.

Designing often necessitates considering the aesthetic, functional, economic, and sociopolitical dimensions of both the design object and design process. It may involve considerable research, thought, modeling, interactive adjustment, and re-design. Meanwhile, diverse kinds of objects may be designed, including clothing, graphical user interfaces, skyscrapers, corporate identities, business processes, and even methods of designing.[2]

Thus "design" may be a substantive referring to a categorical abstraction of a created thing or things (the design of something), or a verb for the process of creation, as is made clear by grammatical context.

Can you see why I would interpret your use of "design" as signifying creation according to a plan?


(August 29, 2016 at 2:10 am)Arkilogue Wrote: Does a human father or mother design the fetus? No, the design of the fetus is inherent in the DNA re-combination of the parents. No "intelligent design" required. I have found the same in the relationship of the universe to God.  The order/design is inherent in the Origin, it is geometric and self limiting. Even science speaks of  the current individuation of forces and things as in inherent and "unfolded/unfurled" from the singularity of space/time/matter/forces before inflation.

(Where I've bolded) why not just say the "structure of the fetus" if you have no attachment to "design" as the carrying out of a plan or intention? For that matter if you are a deist who thinks the universe is something that God cannot help but produce, then the use of "design" is problematic. When I defecate I create something but I do not design it. It has a structure, one devoid of any intention of mine. Likewise, if the universe were truly God's creation but unreflective of any intention on His part - why not simply refer to its structure?


(August 29, 2016 at 2:10 am)Arkilogue Wrote: From what I have found in macro universal structure (several nested structures), life is inevitable and the total vibration of these structures on the fabric of space-time directly pattern for DNA. Geometrically.

Even without being privy to 'macro universal structure' (are you?), I too have often thought that life is a kind of complex chemical reaction which is inevitable under the right conditions. (I have no idea why you've written the part I've struck out. What are you trying to say?)
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Why is life programmed to survive? - by Macoleco - August 28, 2016 at 9:17 pm
RE: Why is life programmed to survive? - by Chad32 - August 28, 2016 at 9:24 pm
RE: Why is life programmed to survive? - by Macoleco - August 28, 2016 at 9:30 pm
RE: Why is life programmed to survive? - by Thumpalumpacus - August 28, 2016 at 10:21 pm
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RE: Why is life programmed to survive? - by Whateverist - August 28, 2016 at 10:49 pm
RE: Why is life programmed to survive? - by Arkilogue - August 28, 2016 at 10:53 pm
RE: Why is life programmed to survive? - by ScienceAf - August 28, 2016 at 10:54 pm
RE: Why is life programmed to survive? - by Whateverist - August 28, 2016 at 11:02 pm
RE: Why is life programmed to survive? - by Arkilogue - August 28, 2016 at 11:24 pm
RE: Why is life programmed to survive? - by Whateverist - August 28, 2016 at 11:39 pm
RE: Why is life programmed to survive? - by Arkilogue - August 28, 2016 at 11:56 pm
RE: Why is life programmed to survive? - by Whateverist - August 29, 2016 at 1:26 am
RE: Why is life programmed to survive? - by Arkilogue - August 29, 2016 at 2:10 am
RE: Why is life programmed to survive? - by Whateverist - August 29, 2016 at 2:57 am
RE: Why is life programmed to survive? - by Arkilogue - August 29, 2016 at 3:49 am
RE: Why is life programmed to survive? - by Whateverist - August 29, 2016 at 1:23 pm
RE: Why is life programmed to survive? - by Arkilogue - August 29, 2016 at 2:03 pm
RE: Why is life programmed to survive? - by Whateverist - August 29, 2016 at 4:43 pm
RE: Why is life programmed to survive? - by Arkilogue - August 29, 2016 at 5:10 pm
RE: Why is life programmed to survive? - by Thumpalumpacus - August 29, 2016 at 8:13 pm
RE: Why is life programmed to survive? - by Arkilogue - August 29, 2016 at 8:14 pm
RE: Why is life programmed to survive? - by Thumpalumpacus - August 29, 2016 at 2:19 am
RE: Why is life programmed to survive? - by Arkilogue - August 29, 2016 at 2:30 am
RE: Why is life programmed to survive? - by Thumpalumpacus - August 29, 2016 at 2:43 am
RE: Why is life programmed to survive? - by Arkilogue - August 29, 2016 at 3:00 am
RE: Why is life programmed to survive? - by Thumpalumpacus - August 29, 2016 at 3:04 am
RE: Why is life programmed to survive? - by ScienceAf - August 28, 2016 at 10:24 pm
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RE: Why is life programmed to survive? - by Arkilogue - August 28, 2016 at 11:37 pm
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RE: Why is life programmed to survive? - by Arkilogue - August 29, 2016 at 2:25 am
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RE: Why is life programmed to survive? - by ScienceAf - August 28, 2016 at 10:51 pm
RE: Why is life programmed to survive? - by Arkilogue - August 28, 2016 at 10:58 pm
RE: Why is life programmed to survive? - by Thumpalumpacus - August 29, 2016 at 2:05 am
RE: Why is life programmed to survive? - by Thumpalumpacus - August 28, 2016 at 11:29 pm
RE: Why is life programmed to survive? - by ScienceAf - August 29, 2016 at 12:58 am
RE: Why is life programmed to survive? - by ignoramus - August 28, 2016 at 10:44 pm
RE: Why is life programmed to survive? - by Whateverist - August 28, 2016 at 10:44 pm
RE: Why is life programmed to survive? - by The Grand Nudger - August 28, 2016 at 11:02 pm
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RE: Why is life programmed to survive? - by The Grand Nudger - August 28, 2016 at 11:38 pm
RE: Why is life programmed to survive? - by Arkilogue - August 28, 2016 at 11:48 pm
RE: Why is life programmed to survive? - by The Grand Nudger - August 28, 2016 at 11:55 pm
RE: Why is life programmed to survive? - by RozKek - August 29, 2016 at 1:55 am
RE: Why is life programmed to survive? - by Jenny A - August 29, 2016 at 1:55 am
RE: Why is life programmed to survive? - by Macoleco - August 29, 2016 at 2:04 am
RE: Why is life programmed to survive? - by Thumpalumpacus - August 29, 2016 at 2:23 am
RE: Why is life programmed to survive? - by RozKek - August 29, 2016 at 2:32 am
RE: Why is life programmed to survive? - by Macoleco - August 29, 2016 at 2:07 am
RE: Why is life programmed to survive? - by RozKek - August 29, 2016 at 2:28 am
RE: Why is life programmed to survive? - by Arkilogue - August 29, 2016 at 2:34 am
RE: Why is life programmed to survive? - by Thumpalumpacus - August 29, 2016 at 2:45 am
RE: Why is life programmed to survive? - by Arkilogue - August 29, 2016 at 3:06 am
RE: Why is life programmed to survive? - by Thumpalumpacus - August 29, 2016 at 12:59 pm
RE: Why is life programmed to survive? - by RozKek - August 29, 2016 at 2:50 am
RE: Why is life programmed to survive? - by RozKek - August 29, 2016 at 2:56 am
RE: Why is life programmed to survive? - by Jenny A - August 29, 2016 at 3:31 am
RE: Why is life programmed to survive? - by downbeatplumb - August 29, 2016 at 5:00 am
RE: Why is life programmed to survive? - by Whateverist - August 29, 2016 at 12:52 pm
RE: Why is life programmed to survive? - by Yoo - August 29, 2016 at 6:51 am
RE: Why is life programmed to survive? - by LastPoet - August 29, 2016 at 10:15 am
RE: Why is life programmed to survive? - by Whateverist - August 29, 2016 at 10:27 am
RE: Why is life programmed to survive? - by The Grand Nudger - August 29, 2016 at 10:54 am
RE: Why is life programmed to survive? - by purplepurpose - August 29, 2016 at 11:04 am
RE: Why is life programmed to survive? - by Whateverist - August 29, 2016 at 1:13 pm
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RE: Why is life programmed to survive? - by Arkilogue - August 29, 2016 at 2:36 pm
RE: Why is life programmed to survive? - by Arkilogue - August 29, 2016 at 3:04 pm
RE: Why is life programmed to survive? - by Edwardo Piet - August 29, 2016 at 2:51 pm
RE: Why is life programmed to survive? - by Whateverist - August 29, 2016 at 4:49 pm
RE: Why is life programmed to survive? - by Thumpalumpacus - August 29, 2016 at 5:00 pm
RE: Why is life programmed to survive? - by Arkilogue - August 29, 2016 at 5:06 pm
RE: Why is life programmed to survive? - by Thumpalumpacus - August 29, 2016 at 8:05 pm
RE: Why is life programmed to survive? - by Arkilogue - August 29, 2016 at 8:11 pm
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RE: Why is life programmed to survive? - by Thumpalumpacus - August 29, 2016 at 8:09 pm
RE: Why is life programmed to survive? - by Arkilogue - August 29, 2016 at 5:34 pm
RE: Why is life programmed to survive? - by Arkilogue - August 29, 2016 at 5:41 pm
RE: Why is life programmed to survive? - by Arkilogue - August 29, 2016 at 6:10 pm
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