Our server costs ~$56 per month to run. Please consider donating or becoming a Patron to help keep the site running. Help us gain new members by following us on Twitter and liking our page on Facebook!
Current time: November 21, 2024, 11:11 am

Thread Rating:
  • 0 Vote(s) - 0 Average
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Maths vs. Music - Tuning and harmony
#1
Maths vs. Music - Tuning and harmony
(September 8, 2016 at 7:34 pm)Arkilogue Wrote: As an interesting side note into the study of vibration, the naturally arising mathematic order in music gives us the 8 note octave with 12 semitones.  
http://www.math.uwaterloo.ca/~mrubinst/tuning/12.html

An octave has twelve, not eight, agreed-upon notes. An octave has twelve chromatic notes, of which eight are diatonic, in Western European music, but can have as little as four or as many as all twelve agreed-upon notes, in Western nomenclature, depending on scale and idiom. A pentatonic octave has (you guessed it!) five notes. There are also things like hexatonics, gypsy scales, and so on. The Western major scale (non-musicians, think do-re-mi-fa-so-la-ti-do) of eight notes is only one of many, many scales. It just so happens that it's the one you're acculturated to hearing.

However, those aren't the only notes one can play. There are notes in between the notes, which is why the Indians invented the sitar (with its scalloped fretboard for bending to those notes) and why the Africans invented slides for stringed instruments. You could also look up the "blue notes" used in American blues, located between the m3 and M3, the b5 and the perfect 5, and between the submediant 6 and the leading tone.

They are notes too. They just don't have formalized names.

Go to 3:18 in this clip, listen for about twelve seconds, and name all the notes that he plays.





I guarantee you can't, because a good 50% (at least!) of them are well between the "Western notes". Ain't no names for them ... and there ain't no magic theory sprouting from your head explaining them, either.

There's no "mathematical order" to music. Octaves subdivide on resonances, no doubt -- but that doesn't mean that western tempered tuning, which is your obvious referent, is the only physical expression of music. Mathematics is a language we use in order to speak with each other, but the mathematics doesn't define the music.

The finger pointing at the moon is not the moon. Music theory does not prescribe music, it describes it ... as any musician would know.

Reply



Messages In This Thread
Maths vs. Music - Tuning and harmony - by Thumpalumpacus - September 9, 2016 at 12:46 am
RE: Maths vs. Music - Tuning and harmony - by bennyboy - September 12, 2016 at 5:58 am
RE: Maths vs. Music - Tuning and harmony - by bennyboy - September 12, 2016 at 9:17 am
RE: Maths vs. Music - Tuning and harmony - by bennyboy - September 12, 2016 at 9:26 am
RE: Maths vs. Music - Tuning and harmony - by bennyboy - September 13, 2016 at 5:09 am
RE: Maths vs. Music - Tuning and harmony - by Alex K - September 13, 2016 at 5:14 am
RE: Maths vs. Music - Tuning and harmony - by bennyboy - September 13, 2016 at 7:04 am
RE: Maths vs. Music - Tuning and harmony - by Alex K - September 12, 2016 at 5:30 am
RE: Maths vs. Music - Tuning and harmony - by bennyboy - September 12, 2016 at 6:03 am
RE: Maths vs. Music - Tuning and harmony - by Alex K - September 12, 2016 at 6:20 am

Possibly Related Threads...
Thread Author Replies Views Last Post
  What does maths add up to? MarcusA 7 1328 September 21, 2023 at 9:22 pm
Last Post: LinuxGal
  simple maths or simple minds? ignoramus 9 1574 April 6, 2021 at 11:25 am
Last Post: polymath257
  Can God be seen in the maths? Dropship 136 33511 July 17, 2017 at 3:27 pm
Last Post: Brian37
Question Maths problem to solve Aractus 24 5910 October 22, 2016 at 6:16 am
Last Post: Longhorn
  Maths proves 1=0.999.. thus ends in self contradiction shakuntala 11 6422 December 21, 2014 at 3:57 pm
Last Post: Thumpalumpacus
  Maths test fr0d0 23 9931 June 18, 2013 at 9:48 am
Last Post: Categories+Sheaves
  Mathematical claims of 'Bible Codes'...is there any truth in the maths? CoxRox 12 9142 January 9, 2009 at 5:23 pm
Last Post: Tiberius



Users browsing this thread: 1 Guest(s)