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Can God be seen in the maths?
July 8, 2017 at 8:03 am
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Sorry to mention religion in this forum section, but I sometimes see articles like the one below around the internet that hint that God can be "seen" in the mathematics of DNA.
I'm a maths dummy myself, so can I ask the AF experts whether there's any logic in the notion, or is it just wishfull thinking by theists?
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RE: Can God be seen in the maths?
July 8, 2017 at 8:04 am
Some people see God in grilled cheese sandwiches too.
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RE: Can God be seen in the maths?
July 8, 2017 at 8:20 am
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RE: Can God be seen in the maths?
July 8, 2017 at 8:22 am
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RE: Can God be seen in the maths?
July 8, 2017 at 8:25 am
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It's not surprising that one information system is like another, particularly in a universe where both systems are constrained by the same natural laws and work for precisely the same reasons. People who say "dna is like a computer program" have that comparison entirely backwards. It's not even a very apt comparison, since dna isn't so much a computer program as it is a machine language. Programming happens at a higher level of architecture, and in humans.,....the programming would be our state of mind, our referents and our memories and our concepts. Machine language is just a description of the machines functions, and provides a basis for higher level operations like programming. Just like DNA does.
In my opinion, it's just a fascination with the amazing that leads a person, even a smart person, to conflate two amazing things as somehow the same thing or one being part and parcel of the other. Flew thinks that computers are amazing, and dna is amazing, and god is amazing...ergo, god. Ultimately, any argument from design is an argument from incredulity...but I find arguments referring to computers to be the most ironic form of support for designing gods.....since we know, for a fact, that computers don't actually require designers. That they can be arrived upon by iterative pass/fail testing not at all unlike mechanical evolutionary processes.
If biological computers -did- require a designer...they'd be a special case, and for no apparent reason. Evem then.."superintelligent" isn't exactly the word I'd use for the designer of said biological computers...particularly since we use mechanical computers to overcome the flaws inherent in our own architectures -whatever they are-. Some superintelligence, beaten at the game by a jumped up ape playing with toy clocks.
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RE: Can God be seen in the maths?
July 8, 2017 at 8:45 am
(July 8, 2017 at 8:22 am)Brian37 Wrote: (July 8, 2017 at 8:03 am)Dropship Wrote: Sorry to mention religion in this forum section, but I sometimes see articles like the one below around the internet that hint that God can be "seen" in the mathematics of DNA.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^Bull and might I add SHIT!
Thanks, but there are also other scientists who hint they can "see" God in the maths, so the bottom line is shall we believe them or not?
For example-
"There is for me powerful evidence that there is something going on behind it all....It seems as though somebody has fine-tuned natures numbers to make the Universe....The impression of design is overwhelming"- Paul Davies (British astrophysicist), The Cosmic Blueprint: New Discoveries in Nature's Creative Ability To Order the Universe. New York: Simon and Schuster, p.203
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RE: Can God be seen in the maths?
July 8, 2017 at 8:48 am
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The reality as we know and experience it is that nature exists. It is not a reality as we know and experience it that there is something bigger behind the creation of nature.
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RE: Can God be seen in the maths?
July 8, 2017 at 8:52 am
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We've gone from natural design to fine tuning? The question being whether or not these people are to be believed? Well, obviously, no...since both arguments are fallacious and belief wouldn't be required if there -were- a divine natural design of life -or- divine fine tuning.
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RE: Can God be seen in the maths?
July 8, 2017 at 9:09 am
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RE: Can God be seen in the maths?
July 8, 2017 at 9:11 am
(July 8, 2017 at 8:45 am)Dropship Wrote: (July 8, 2017 at 8:22 am)Brian37 Wrote: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^Bull and might I add SHIT!
Thanks, but there are also other scientists who hint they can "see" God in the maths, so the bottom line is shall we believe them or not?
For example-
"There is for me powerful evidence that there is something going on behind it all....It seems as though somebody has fine-tuned natures numbers to make the Universe....The impression of design is overwhelming"- Paul Davies (British astrophysicist), The Cosmic Blueprint: New Discoveries in Nature's Creative Ability To Order the Universe. New York: Simon and Schuster, p.203
They mean a different thing by "God" than what you think.
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