How do we grow?

[Eudaimonia]

• Moat - Red Herring only means diversion to another topic
  
  
  My Response -You don't understand the term.. It means diversion.. it can be a literal diversion to another topic or literary tricks used to obscure the point..
  
  
  
  
• Moat - There is an absolute morality irrespective of culture..
  
  
  My Response -I disagree.. Further, your stating it does not make it true.. Morality is established by agreement or force.. If there were absolute morality there would be no need for laws.. It would be inherently ingrained in every human irrespective of time, culture and/or context.. Do not confuse survival instinct with morality..
  
  
  
• Moat's point - Choice is the root of all evil..
  
  
  My response - This explains why the religious mind wishes to eradicate it in favor of complete submission to THEIR understanding of their belief in God... This type of thinking is dangerous imo..
  
  
  
  
• Moat's point - Progress happens in spite of the existence of religious thought so there is no need to wish its eradication
  
  
  My response - Scientific advancement has occurred at great costs to lives, sanity, social standing held by the religious in power.. Science has had to fight the religious mind in order to exist.. This is unnecessary and a distraction.. And as I understand it the religious all wait for the "big fight" "armageddon" or some such thing..
  
  
  
  
• Moat's point - "I know you are but what am I?" response to my pointing out he uses red herrings.. by saying I feign contempt.
  
  
  My response -Nope.. my contempt for your ideas and the way you express yourself remains...The last dialogue we had you were lacing your posts with disrespectful sexual references.. My contempt is real.. trust..
  
  

The dialogue has gotten far away from the initial point of this thread... Religion is an obstacle to progress... It is a distraction... Religious thinking requires suspension of logic and evidence.. as faith in God is the foundation of its existence.. Any time a scientist involves himself in science then he has to suspend his religious thinking.. as theories, evidence, testing, double blind studies etc are part of scientific habits..

In other words when Newton described gravity he was forced to not say "God made the apple fall on my head" .. He may choose to characterize it in this way later.. but if humanity is to move forward he realized on some level must keep his mind outside of "faith based thinking"