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Why materialists are predominantly materialists
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RE: Why materialists are predominantly materialists
(September 16, 2016 at 9:55 pm)Jesster Wrote: Believing in the material world is the starting point. If you don't start by assuming that, we can't go anywhere at all. Since I personally observe that on some level, I'm going to go ahead and leave that as a given. Anything beyond the material world doesn't even have that much to work with yet. That's where I will need more evidence.
This is the "assumption that begs the question" that I was talking about. You keep talking about "more than" the material world, and now "beyond" it. You need to start with your belief in a material world at all. Is it based on your experiences? The apparent solidity of objects you interact with? If so, then do you experience them as 99.99999% empty space, and the .00000001% being only describable as a mathematical function? I'm guessing not.

So if you want to start there, you'll have to explain why you think it's the start. As I said, since anything we "know" starts with experience, then reality-as-experience must be the default position, and anything else must be supported with some pretty watertight reasoning.
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Why materialists are predominantly materialists - by Bunburryist - September 15, 2016 at 11:31 pm
RE: Why materialists are predominantly materialists - by Jesster - September 15, 2016 at 11:41 pm
RE: Why materialists are predominantly materialists - by brewer - September 16, 2016 at 7:19 am
RE: Why materialists are predominantly materialists - by Silver - September 17, 2016 at 12:57 am
RE: Why materialists are predominantly materialists - by bennyboy - September 16, 2016 at 9:59 pm
RE: Why materialists are predominantly materialists - by Chas - September 22, 2016 at 10:32 am
RE: Why materialists are predominantly materialists - by Chas - September 22, 2016 at 10:56 am
RE: Why materialists are predominantly materialists - by Jesster - September 16, 2016 at 10:01 pm
RE: Why materialists are predominantly materialists - by Jesster - September 16, 2016 at 10:05 pm
RE: Why materialists are predominantly materialists - by Silver - September 17, 2016 at 12:26 am
RE: Why materialists are predominantly materialists - by Joods - September 17, 2016 at 8:47 am
RE: Why materialists are predominantly materialists - by Joods - September 17, 2016 at 10:44 am
RE: Why materialists are predominantly materialists - by emjay - September 17, 2016 at 5:40 pm
RE: Why materialists are predominantly materialists - by emjay - September 17, 2016 at 6:51 pm
RE: Why materialists are predominantly materialists - by emjay - September 17, 2016 at 7:24 pm
RE: Why materialists are predominantly materialists - by Joods - September 18, 2016 at 12:01 am
RE: Why materialists are predominantly materialists - by Silver - September 24, 2016 at 12:46 am
RE: Why materialists are predominantly materialists - by comet - September 28, 2016 at 8:08 pm

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