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Why materialists are predominantly materialists
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RE: Why materialists are predominantly materialists
(September 16, 2016 at 9:35 pm)bennyboy Wrote:
(September 16, 2016 at 9:18 pm)Jesster Wrote: Benny, that's like asking us to prove that no god exists. Of course we can't do that. The rational response is to not accept it until the evidence for it is there, though. I'm not even saying that there isn't more to existence than materialism. I just don't have any reason to believe otherwise yet.

Reason to "believe otherwise"?  I think you're skipping an important step-- the reason to believe that there IS a material world at all.  I know everyone feels very confident about the reality of things, but who here has an experience of the material world that is in accord with modern scientific views?  Nobody.

You're conflating a description of the micro world with the result of having macro-level granularity of senses. "The quantum world is spooky" doesn't undermine that our experiences are built upon sensory apparatus with a macro granularity, and the macro experience is fully reducible to the micro world. You're just confusing levels and talking a bunch of bollocks.

(September 16, 2016 at 9:35 pm)bennyboy Wrote: I'd also suggest that since all knowledge is collected by way of subjective experience, that experience itself is the only thing we know to be real.  And the world view that best represents this would be an idealistic monism, not a material one.


Horse hockey. We know from studies of brain trauma that there are modular components to our experience. We don't know "the experience itself", we know what we tell ourselves about the experience. Idealistic monism is no less a "just so story" that consciousness tells itself than any other. Tell me how you know that you actually experience anything, as opposed to just believing that you experience things? It could just as easily be the latter rather than the former. You don't know. You're just so enamored with the appearance of consciousness that you can't see straight. I think consciousness is just an illusion. Do you have any actual evidence that it isn't?
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Why materialists are predominantly materialists - by Bunburryist - September 15, 2016 at 11:31 pm
RE: Why materialists are predominantly materialists - by Jesster - September 15, 2016 at 11:41 pm
RE: Why materialists are predominantly materialists - by brewer - September 16, 2016 at 7:19 am
RE: Why materialists are predominantly materialists - by Silver - September 17, 2016 at 12:57 am
RE: Why materialists are predominantly materialists - by Chas - September 22, 2016 at 10:32 am
RE: Why materialists are predominantly materialists - by Chas - September 22, 2016 at 10:56 am
RE: Why materialists are predominantly materialists - by Angrboda - September 17, 2016 at 5:14 pm
RE: Why materialists are predominantly materialists - by Jesster - September 16, 2016 at 10:01 pm
RE: Why materialists are predominantly materialists - by Jesster - September 16, 2016 at 10:05 pm
RE: Why materialists are predominantly materialists - by Silver - September 17, 2016 at 12:26 am
RE: Why materialists are predominantly materialists - by Joods - September 17, 2016 at 8:47 am
RE: Why materialists are predominantly materialists - by Joods - September 17, 2016 at 10:44 am
RE: Why materialists are predominantly materialists - by emjay - September 17, 2016 at 5:40 pm
RE: Why materialists are predominantly materialists - by emjay - September 17, 2016 at 6:51 pm
RE: Why materialists are predominantly materialists - by emjay - September 17, 2016 at 7:24 pm
RE: Why materialists are predominantly materialists - by Joods - September 18, 2016 at 12:01 am
RE: Why materialists are predominantly materialists - by Silver - September 24, 2016 at 12:46 am
RE: Why materialists are predominantly materialists - by comet - September 28, 2016 at 8:08 pm

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