RE: Why materialists are predominantly materialists
September 17, 2016 at 5:48 pm
(This post was last modified: September 17, 2016 at 5:51 pm by bennyboy.)
(September 17, 2016 at 5:14 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: You're conflating a description of the micro world with the result of having macro-level granularity of senses. "The quantum world is spooky" doesn't undermine that our experiences are built upon sensory apparatus with a macro granularity, and the macro experience is fully reducible to the micro world. You're just confusing levels and talking a bunch of bollocks.Ohhhh. . . okay now I see why in that other thread you quoted yourself. I answered this comment in that post.
Quote:Really? And how, pray tell, did we manage to study brain trauma without collecting our knowledge exclusively by way of subjective experience?(September 16, 2016 at 9:35 pm)bennyboy Wrote: I'd also suggest that since all knowledge is collected by way of subjective experience, that experience itself is the only thing we know to be real. And the world view that best represents this would be an idealistic monism, not a material one.Horse hockey. We know from studies of brain trauma that there are modular components to our experience.
Quote:We don't know "the experience itself", we know what we tell ourselves about the experience. Idealistic monism is no less a "just so story" that consciousness tells itself than any other.I'm tempted to call it an "experiential monism," to be honest. But since we experience things like form, color, smell, etc. as ideas, then no narrative is required-- clearly experience is real, or I wouldn't be thinking about it.
Quote: Tell me how you know that you actually experience anything, as opposed to just believing that you experience things? It could just as easily be the latter rather than the former. You don't know. You're just so enamored with the appearance of consciousness that you can't see straight. I think consciousness is just an illusion. Do you have any actual evidence that it isn't?The act of believing IS an experience-- the knowledge of what it's like to believe.
As for evidence-- my own consciousness is self-evident. Consciousness is the "what it's like" to think and be aware, and that I am thinking about consciousness makes it real by definition. Your consciousness, on the other hand, is not evident-- I assume it.
