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Why materialists are predominantly materialists
RE: Why materialists are predominantly materialists
(September 17, 2016 at 5:48 pm)bennyboy Wrote:
Quote:Horse hockey.  We know from studies of brain trauma that there are modular components to our experience.
Really?  And how, pray tell, did we manage to study brain trauma without collecting our knowledge exclusively by way of subjective experience?

Your objection does nothing to disarm the point that we know experience has multiple components which can be separated in certain circumstances.

(September 17, 2016 at 5:48 pm)bennyboy Wrote:
Quote:  Tell me how you know that you actually experience anything, as opposed to just believing that you experience things?  It could just as easily be the latter rather than the former.  You don't know.  You're just so enamored with the appearance of consciousness that you can't see straight.  I think consciousness is just an illusion.  Do you have any actual evidence that it isn't?
The act of believing IS an experience-- the knowledge of what it's like to believe.

As for evidence-- my own consciousness is self-evident.  

So consciousness, which may be an illusion, is the sole testifying witness to the question of whether or not it's an illusion? That's circular as all hell. You might as well say, "because I believe." Your own consciousness, which may be lying to you, is not lying to you, "because your consciousness tells you it's not lying." Well you've persuaded me that your consciousness isn't lying to itself; how could I doubt you? That's stupid, Benny. Saying that it's self-evident is simply wrong. There is no such thing as self-evidence at that level. Something* must be making it evident, and that something is this consciousness thing that you say is not an illusion, why? Because it's obvious? That's a stupid, thoughtless response.
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Why materialists are predominantly materialists - by Bunburryist - September 15, 2016 at 11:31 pm
RE: Why materialists are predominantly materialists - by Jesster - September 15, 2016 at 11:41 pm
RE: Why materialists are predominantly materialists - by brewer - September 16, 2016 at 7:19 am
RE: Why materialists are predominantly materialists - by Silver - September 17, 2016 at 12:57 am
RE: Why materialists are predominantly materialists - by Chas - September 22, 2016 at 10:32 am
RE: Why materialists are predominantly materialists - by Chas - September 22, 2016 at 10:56 am
RE: Why materialists are predominantly materialists - by Angrboda - September 17, 2016 at 6:48 pm
RE: Why materialists are predominantly materialists - by Jesster - September 16, 2016 at 10:01 pm
RE: Why materialists are predominantly materialists - by Jesster - September 16, 2016 at 10:05 pm
RE: Why materialists are predominantly materialists - by Silver - September 17, 2016 at 12:26 am
RE: Why materialists are predominantly materialists - by Joods - September 17, 2016 at 8:47 am
RE: Why materialists are predominantly materialists - by Joods - September 17, 2016 at 10:44 am
RE: Why materialists are predominantly materialists - by emjay - September 17, 2016 at 5:40 pm
RE: Why materialists are predominantly materialists - by emjay - September 17, 2016 at 6:51 pm
RE: Why materialists are predominantly materialists - by emjay - September 17, 2016 at 7:24 pm
RE: Why materialists are predominantly materialists - by Joods - September 18, 2016 at 12:01 am
RE: Why materialists are predominantly materialists - by Silver - September 24, 2016 at 12:46 am
RE: Why materialists are predominantly materialists - by comet - September 28, 2016 at 8:08 pm

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