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Why materialists are predominantly materialists
RE: Why materialists are predominantly materialists
(September 17, 2016 at 10:38 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote:
(September 17, 2016 at 10:15 pm)bennyboy Wrote: You are making an error between proofs and definitions.

No, I'm pointing out that your claim of self-evidence is a silly circular argument.  Consciousness is conscious because consciousness says so.  Hurr durr.
An apple is an apple because we call it that. Being aware is consciousness because we call it that. Not really sure what your contention is-- that awareness is an illusion? Fine-- who's experiencing the illusion? Whoever/whatever that is, it's conscious, by definition.

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(September 17, 2016 at 10:15 pm)bennyboy Wrote: If I'm aware of my consciousness lying. . . I'm conscious.!

This is nothing but an assertion based on loose language.  You're just arguing in circles again.   "I'm conscious because I'm conscious because I'm conscious because...."  I don't think we are any more "aware" than a computer, and your response is that "it's obvious that we are!"  That's not a demonstration of anything but that you don't know.
Did I say it's obvious that we're more aware than a computer? What, exactly is the point we're debating right now?

And not knowing is fine. It is, in fact, my position-- I don't know what consciousness is or where it comes from.
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Why materialists are predominantly materialists - by Bunburryist - September 15, 2016 at 11:31 pm
RE: Why materialists are predominantly materialists - by Jesster - September 15, 2016 at 11:41 pm
RE: Why materialists are predominantly materialists - by brewer - September 16, 2016 at 7:19 am
RE: Why materialists are predominantly materialists - by Silver - September 17, 2016 at 12:57 am
RE: Why materialists are predominantly materialists - by Chas - September 22, 2016 at 10:32 am
RE: Why materialists are predominantly materialists - by Chas - September 22, 2016 at 10:56 am
RE: Why materialists are predominantly materialists - by bennyboy - September 17, 2016 at 10:54 pm
RE: Why materialists are predominantly materialists - by Jesster - September 16, 2016 at 10:01 pm
RE: Why materialists are predominantly materialists - by Jesster - September 16, 2016 at 10:05 pm
RE: Why materialists are predominantly materialists - by Silver - September 17, 2016 at 12:26 am
RE: Why materialists are predominantly materialists - by Joods - September 17, 2016 at 8:47 am
RE: Why materialists are predominantly materialists - by Joods - September 17, 2016 at 10:44 am
RE: Why materialists are predominantly materialists - by emjay - September 17, 2016 at 5:40 pm
RE: Why materialists are predominantly materialists - by emjay - September 17, 2016 at 6:51 pm
RE: Why materialists are predominantly materialists - by emjay - September 17, 2016 at 7:24 pm
RE: Why materialists are predominantly materialists - by Joods - September 18, 2016 at 12:01 am
RE: Why materialists are predominantly materialists - by Silver - September 24, 2016 at 12:46 am
RE: Why materialists are predominantly materialists - by comet - September 28, 2016 at 8:08 pm

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