RE: Why materialists are predominantly materialists
September 17, 2016 at 10:54 pm
(This post was last modified: September 17, 2016 at 10:55 pm by bennyboy.)
(September 17, 2016 at 10:38 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote:An apple is an apple because we call it that. Being aware is consciousness because we call it that. Not really sure what your contention is-- that awareness is an illusion? Fine-- who's experiencing the illusion? Whoever/whatever that is, it's conscious, by definition.(September 17, 2016 at 10:15 pm)bennyboy Wrote: You are making an error between proofs and definitions.
No, I'm pointing out that your claim of self-evidence is a silly circular argument. Consciousness is conscious because consciousness says so. Hurr durr.
Quote:Did I say it's obvious that we're more aware than a computer? What, exactly is the point we're debating right now?(September 17, 2016 at 10:15 pm)bennyboy Wrote: If I'm aware of my consciousness lying. . . I'm conscious.!
This is nothing but an assertion based on loose language. You're just arguing in circles again. "I'm conscious because I'm conscious because I'm conscious because...." I don't think we are any more "aware" than a computer, and your response is that "it's obvious that we are!" That's not a demonstration of anything but that you don't know.
And not knowing is fine. It is, in fact, my position-- I don't know what consciousness is or where it comes from.