RE: Why materialists are predominantly materialists
September 18, 2016 at 12:12 am
(This post was last modified: September 18, 2016 at 12:13 am by Angrboda.)
(September 17, 2016 at 10:54 pm)bennyboy Wrote:(September 17, 2016 at 10:38 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: No, I'm pointing out that your claim of self-evidence is a silly circular argument. Consciousness is conscious because consciousness says so. Hurr durr.An apple is an apple because we call it that. Being aware is consciousness because we call it that. Not really sure what your contention is-- that awareness is an illusion? Fine-- who's experiencing the illusion? Whoever/whatever that is, it's conscious, by definition.
You're so droll. Nothing is experiencing. There is no who. Try to exert yourself a little and move beyond mere word games.
(September 17, 2016 at 10:54 pm)bennyboy Wrote:Quote:This is nothing but an assertion based on loose language. You're just arguing in circles again. "I'm conscious because I'm conscious because I'm conscious because...." I don't think we are any more "aware" than a computer, and your response is that "it's obvious that we are!" That's not a demonstration of anything but that you don't know.Did I say it's obvious that we're more aware than a computer? What, exactly is the point we're debating right now?
And not knowing is fine. It is, in fact, my position-- I don't know what consciousness is or where it comes from.
You're full of shit. Consciousness, isn't. You claim that consciousness is. That's a claim that requires more support than a stupid semantic argument or saying that it's self-evident. You've never been shy that you believe in Idealism. What is that Idealism world composed of if consciousness isn't a real thing? And here you are trying to deny the ontology your well-known Idealism requires. If consciousness isn't what it appears to be, then your "world of ideas" is an empty non-space. You're simply being dishonest in pretending agnosticism here.