thanks, god.

[LukeMC]

I was going for the "thorough" look, not hostile. Sorry for the sharpness of the post.

[quote="LukeMC"]
- People claim God spared their lives

100% superstition highlighted[/quote]

I should have been more clear and said I wasn't necessarily talking about this exact issue. But the fact remains, people do give direct thanks to their God for saving their lives and giving them another chance, etc. I'll find some sources to back this up if you choose not to accept it.

And so, with that in mind, the rest of my argument follows again.

If I placed a shrew and a snake, put them in a box with no food and waited for a while, upon coming back I'd likely find the snake has eaten the shrew. If I put them in that box knowing that the snake would eat the shrew and intending for this outcome to happen, I can take responsibility for this.

If I created the snake with all of its instincts and traits, and i created the shrew also and the box, the conditions inside the box, determined their actions to infinite precision and then put them in the box, I have as good as orchestrated the act myself. This is what God has done.


[quote="fr0d0"]
I have justified it logically with you. We've explored it, I thought to the end of your interest.

I don't feel this to be the case. You've only really told me that the bible indicates it. Hardly conclusive. While we've covered an interesting ground, we still haven't concluded the "all good" point.

You accept that the Universe is beautiful, & so do I. If God is evil how is that possible? To me we're saying the same thing.

Volcanoes are beautiful. They also kill people. Beauty and goodness are not one and the same.

I disagree with your labeling. You're dodging what I said.

The labelling is accurate and I already dealt with the post in previous comments, I wasn't going to go over the same ground twice.

"God is responsible for suffering- he caused it" - nonsense. this doesn't hold up at all, even by your own supposition
"God is capable of evil" - theoretically yes, but as we can understand his nature from the Bible, then no. You are asking me to consider a God outside of my own logical conclusions. Ok for philosophy, invalid for Christianity
"God is not all good" - philosophically yes, Religiously no.

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I've given an explanation of why God is responsible in countless ways now. My most recent being in this post ^

Allowing you to use the bible as evidence is something I can no longer do. The book holds little scientific knowledge but a lot of outdated and demonstrably wrong theories, large portions of bigotry and prejudice, a wide authorship detailing events nobody could possibly have witnessed, a whole bunch of segments removed, edited, translated and reinterpretted, so as a whole, the book is little more than ancient fiction with a few biographical jottings. The book is a bad example of morality (take out your eye, cut off your hand, hate your family- this isn't even the old testament), a bad example of science (fermement, Noah's ark tale, geocentric universe, flat earth), a bad example of biography (how could a biographer of Jesus forget to mention the virgin birth?) and as such is not worthy of being a starting point, basis or premise in any argument about the nature of supernatural deities.

That is all.