RE: A Loving God
September 25, 2016 at 5:38 pm
(This post was last modified: September 25, 2016 at 5:52 pm by Lek.)
(September 24, 2016 at 10:50 pm)PETE_ROSE Wrote: Lek, great post and an interesting topic. I can understand why many would relate to the annihilation theory of hell, as eternal torture does not appear equitable regardless of your sins in a finite life.
However, wondering how you reconcile this with Mark 9:48 and Rev 20 where the description of hell, (especially in Rev 20 as the final judgment and place where those judged will spend eternity) is unambiguous as to its finality and enduring state of conscious existence.
I didn't intend for this to be so long, but it kind of ended up that way. Hope you can hang in.
Mark 9:48New International Version (NIV)
48 where
“‘the worms that eat them do not die,
and the fire is not quenched.’[a]
The above verse doesn't refer to the time spent in hell of a person whom God sends there, but rather the nature of hell itself.
Matthew 25:41New International Version (NIV)
41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.
Above he states that hell was prepared for the devil and his angels , who may stay there for eternity. He also says the worms who eat them do not die, but doesn't say how long we will stay there. Additionally, the Greek word "aionios", which has been translated to "everlasting" could mean that, but it could also mean a limited age or time period as well.
Revelation 20:10English Standard Version (ESV)
10 and the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur where the beast and the false prophet were, and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
Again this verse speaks about the devil, the beast and the false prophets will be. Again the word "aionios" is arbitrarily translated as everlasting, or "forever and ever". Whenever a Greek word is translated into English, a certain amount of bias must be applied since you can't choose all the meanings. The best way to make a choice is to consider how the word is used in other places in the bible and what else the bible has to say about the subject being addressed. I don't want to ignore verses that seem to support everlasting punishment, but I also want to consider verses that support universal reconciliation or conditional annihilation. In my study I have determined that both of these views have more biblical support, as long as a limited time in hell is included, since I believe that the bible speaks of those who are not in Christ going there. I also believe those in hell will suffer there. I recommend that every follower of Christ should do a study of all verses that would lead to one's idea of hell and punishment. I can throw out a few, but there are tons.
John 12:47New International Version (NIV)
47 “For I did not come to judge the world, but to save the world.
2 Corinthians 5:19New International Version (NIV)
19 that God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting people’s sins against them. And he has committed to us the message of reconciliation.
Titus 2:11New International Version (NIV)
11 For the grace of God has appeared that offers salvation to all people.
2 Peter 3:9New International Version (NIV)
9 The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.
One last personal statement: Would a truly loving God allow someone he loves unconditionally suffer never ending torture in hell in exchange for a life of, say 80 years, of rejecting him on earth? Wrath for sin is one thing, but a punishment that goes on for 20 billion years and is just getting warmed up, doesn't come from the God of he bible. In fact, I see it as totally against the teaching of the bible. Finally, it the devil ends up with probably more people in his realm than God does in his, who has won the war of good vs evil? For eternity evil will continue to exist in a huge population of people who are continually cursing God and the issue of evil has never been resolved. Evil would still exist for eternity.