thanks, god.

[LukeMC]

You're pure evil doing that!

So lets look at what God did. God put this world together where animals eat other animals and a balance is struck. Everything works together to produce an overall balance and an environment that self regulates. Then people come along and fuck it up but that's another story

What did God orchestrate here? Something evil or something, when looked
at as a whole, perfect (in our eyes at least).

For there to be a balance some creatures must lose out, species go extinct, and babies will wither and die. Regardless of how beautiful the end product is, the orchestrator still must use great evils to achieve a wonderful end. If there is war, death and famine on this planet, in all its beauty, I will still be convinced that God has the capacity for evil (and uses it) even if I justify the evil and think it leads to something wonderful on a whole. God is not all good.

From who's point of view? You're being egotistical again. In the interest of a bursting magma layer needing to move rock about it's got to be a good thing. Life is created and survives on this process. Don't you watch David Attenborough?

See above

Well there we must disagree then. I totally disagree with everything you said there. I've come to the conclusions I've already stated. I'm fine that this won't hold true for you. But if you dismiss the logic then you dismiss everything I say too. I can only refer to this observation of the nature of my deity. If you want to discuss some other deity then that's fine. I don't know what I could contribute though. I thought the point was establishing if this God was good or bad. If you won't allow evidence from the only trusted source by those who believe in said deity then I can't see how that can progress.

Rejecting the bible doesn't render your opinions useless though. We've discussed a lot about God without bible reference being necessary. As for the validity of the bible, maybe in a another thread we go pursue it further as its own subject.