RE: Fundies Will Be Shitting Bricks
May 27, 2011 at 12:48 am
(This post was last modified: May 27, 2011 at 12:58 am by orogenicman.)
Response to post #163
1) No. Try again.
2) Some might. Others probably not. But whether or not they do is irrelevant to the fact that even the ones that don't cool in the same way that Fox's experiment did have life thriving on and IN them. Until you can get past this singlular fact, your arguments against peptide forming under such conditions simply does not wash.
3) Are you suggesting that amino acids cannot form in the absence of DNA/RNA? Erm, using your logic, then, we've already discovered life elsewhere in the universe by feat, since amino acids have been found in meteorites. What work are you citing when you claim that impure amino acids can never spontaneously form peptides outside of a cell.
4) You are aware, of course, that many cultures in the Middle East 2,000 years ago allowed slavery, right? You didnt know this? Huh.
5) Yeah, the National Geographic often gets things wrong. There is no evidence in Egypt that Jews were ever held as slaves, certainly not at the time suggested by the bible. None whatsoever. There is no evidence in Egypt for the exodus. None. And this would have been a huge event in Egypt, and would have left a historical mark. But it didn't. There isn't even evidence outside of the book of Exodus that Moses existed.
6) You didn't have to. It was obvious to everyone from your questioning that you think there is no moral justification for believing that slavery is wrong.
By the way, you didn't answer my previous question. Were you ignoring it on purpose?
Well?
1) No. Try again.
2) Some might. Others probably not. But whether or not they do is irrelevant to the fact that even the ones that don't cool in the same way that Fox's experiment did have life thriving on and IN them. Until you can get past this singlular fact, your arguments against peptide forming under such conditions simply does not wash.
3) Are you suggesting that amino acids cannot form in the absence of DNA/RNA? Erm, using your logic, then, we've already discovered life elsewhere in the universe by feat, since amino acids have been found in meteorites. What work are you citing when you claim that impure amino acids can never spontaneously form peptides outside of a cell.
4) You are aware, of course, that many cultures in the Middle East 2,000 years ago allowed slavery, right? You didnt know this? Huh.
5) Yeah, the National Geographic often gets things wrong. There is no evidence in Egypt that Jews were ever held as slaves, certainly not at the time suggested by the bible. None whatsoever. There is no evidence in Egypt for the exodus. None. And this would have been a huge event in Egypt, and would have left a historical mark. But it didn't. There isn't even evidence outside of the book of Exodus that Moses existed.
6) You didn't have to. It was obvious to everyone from your questioning that you think there is no moral justification for believing that slavery is wrong.
By the way, you didn't answer my previous question. Were you ignoring it on purpose?
Quote:I believe that we are about 25 years away (or sooner) from showing in the laboratory that abiogenesis (or something similar) is a valid theory. If you are around when that happens, what will be your response?
Well?
'The difference between a Miracle and a Fact is exactly the difference between a mermaid and seal. It could not be expressed better.'
-- Samuel "Mark Twain" Clemens
"I think that in the discussion of natural problems we ought to begin not with the scriptures, but with experiments, demonstrations, and observations".
- Galileo Galilei (1564-1642)
"In short, Meyer has shown that his first disastrous book was not a fluke: he is capable of going into any field in which he has no training or research experience and botching it just as badly as he did molecular biology. As I've written before, if you are a complete amateur and don't understand a subject, don't demonstrate the Dunning-Kruger effect by writing a book about it and proving your ignorance to everyone else! "
- Dr. Donald Prothero
-- Samuel "Mark Twain" Clemens
"I think that in the discussion of natural problems we ought to begin not with the scriptures, but with experiments, demonstrations, and observations".
- Galileo Galilei (1564-1642)
"In short, Meyer has shown that his first disastrous book was not a fluke: he is capable of going into any field in which he has no training or research experience and botching it just as badly as he did molecular biology. As I've written before, if you are a complete amateur and don't understand a subject, don't demonstrate the Dunning-Kruger effect by writing a book about it and proving your ignorance to everyone else! "
- Dr. Donald Prothero
