RE: Occams Hatchet and Is Materialism "Special"
September 30, 2016 at 12:35 am
(This post was last modified: September 30, 2016 at 12:46 am by The Grand Nudger.)
(September 30, 2016 at 12:27 am)bennyboy Wrote: I don't determine whether people do or don't have mind. I make a philosophical assumption because it's convenient for me. But this is not what science is or how it is supposed to work.Strongly disingenuous. It only hurts because were buddies, lol. I mean, I may think you're a baddie...but I don't think your a chatbot with a voice, lol. I have strong reasons top suspect that you are, in fact, a human being like me with a subjective experience like mine.
Quote:You're right. Begging the question is much tighter than "gap creation." Anyway, what's the "gap?" What do you think I'm trying to split into this gap, as a declared agnostic?Who knows. I've asked and asked and you don't have a clue, except that it simply cant be material. WTF does your agnosticism even have to do with this discussion, or with gap filling?
Quote:If you think mind is "silly shit," then that's a bit unfortunate for this discussion. The fact is that I have subjective experiences, and I'm curious about them, and people throughout history have claimed also to have subjective experiences, and demonstrated an interest in their nature.I think that people have believed alot of silly shit about minds. Disingenuous, again. I don;t know why anyone, today, would show deference towards the various fictions of the last thousand years.....if they wanted to explain some unknown thing. I agree, you have subjective experience. So do I, so..obviously, we don't need to discuss candidacy.....right?
Quote:You aren't giving another word for "mind" as the word means to so many people. You are giving words for correlates of mind, and insisting they are the same. This is a different process, and I believe you know that.No, I'm not. But why would it be relevant? -You- gave another word for red, and it's translation to my language. That's what -I- responded to. I've repeatedly explained to you how computational systems work, how they manage the manipulation of information, so no, I;m not just giving you different words, for mind or it's correlates...and that would be asanine. I'm explaining how one thing we know about manages to do something we suspect to be happening in ourselves.
What's a different process..what are you talking about, what do I know?
Quote:Answer one question, and then we can talk about how idiotic the claim is. My question: how would you determine whether a given physical system does / doesn't have the ability to experience qualia?Asked and answered. My answer isn't going to change........?
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