RE: Occams Hatchet and Is Materialism "Special"
October 1, 2016 at 11:25 am
(This post was last modified: October 1, 2016 at 11:29 am by The Grand Nudger.)
(October 1, 2016 at 7:36 am)bennyboy Wrote:Yes, yes, we know. You only assume that people have qualia.(October 1, 2016 at 2:29 am)Rhythm Wrote: Qualia can be and -has been- detected. It's not even difficult to do so.ikr? My Qualo-meter 2100 is on its way from Amazon even as I type! Soon, I will be able to know exactly what physical systems do/don't experience qualia, and WHAT exactly they are experiencing.
Oh, wait. . . that's not a real thing. I suppose I have to wait for you to tell us that things that aren't qualia really are.
We assume it in others, and call it recognition. Is making an assumption the same thing as recognizing?
Quote:"Best evidence" seems to amount to "Our theory isn't actually provable, and requires philosophical assumptions to even get off the ground, but it sounds more sciencey than what you're saying."Your contempt for science through straw is showing.
Quote:What's your evidence that anything experiences qualia? It laughs at the right jokes? It leaks salty water when it watches Beaches? I want to know what "best evidence" you have that isn't 100% rooted in philosophical assumptions that beg the question.Does the thing you think materialism can't account for exist, or not? We either agree that there is such a thing that we are attempting to explain, or you honestly have -nothing- to say...because it would be -about- nothing. Make up your mind, because I'm tired of being trolled.
Quote:Here is the essence of our difference. You are convinced by commonalities in your experiences that there's a material universe with such and such properties, and you are ready to "move on" to the next issue. I am not so convinced, even by the commonalities which are consistent enough to do science on, that it is right to move on to that view of the world; in fact, I believe it to be highly suspect. It seems to me that since all of what we "know" can definitely be coined purely as idea and experience that the belief that it's "really really out there" doesn't add much.You can "coin" things anyway you like, and you can retreat into solipsism if it suits you....but both are meaningless objections to me.
Quote:We aren't really disputing experience, OR even the worth of science. We have different, and I think very arbitrary, positions on how many assumptions, and of what type, we should accept in moving on to new avenues of inquiry.Don't backpedal now. You're disputing our experience, and you see no value in the non-science. Own it. Now you may have an arbitrary position on how many assumptions to make, that;s your business..but I;ve been pretty clear about how many assumptions I would make, what type, and why.
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