RE: Occams Hatchet and Is Materialism "Special"
October 1, 2016 at 1:56 pm
(This post was last modified: October 1, 2016 at 2:08 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(October 1, 2016 at 12:15 pm)bennyboy Wrote:You don't have contempt for the illogical non-science that you are, here, objecting to? Calling it non-science or a conflation of assumptions and conclusions does not change how you feel about it, or what it is. The body of knowledge exists, you have contempt for it. You express it openly and plainly.(October 1, 2016 at 11:25 am)Rhythm Wrote: Your contempt for science through straw is showing.I don't have contempt for science. I don't even have contempt for the study of neural correlates for behaviors. I do, however, have a slight contempt for the conflation of assumptions and conclusions. I guess I just don't like circles very much.
Quote:I'm not disputing your experience. I'm disputing your interpretation of your experience, and in particular the philosophical stance which while related to it in some sense, isn't really required.You keep calling qualia an assumption as though that were somhow a problem for the science thereof. If you think that this is anything -other- than disputing -our- experience.........I don;t know what to tell you. I don;t assume that qualia exists, nor do you. I very literally observe it, and that is bound inextricably to the definition of the term itself...it's the thing we hope to explain. So if you can't get past that, and we can't start on that common ground...we can -have- no discussion. There's nothing to talk about. Science is not attempting to explain qualia that we assume to exist, it's attempting to explain qualia as a fundamentally undeniable truth of -every single human beings on the planets experience, it is the very -term- for our experience. If that's not enough to move it past the category of assumption, to you, then nothing will or can. Your objection is not with materialism, but with knowledge itself. Good luck.
Quote:I would like you to stop saying that I have a contempt for science, because that is not true. In fact, I respect science enough not to abuse it by conflating science with other branches of philosophy.Yes, I know that you;d like for me to stop saying that..I already opined upon it...we decided to hug it out, but here again it rears it's head. I would hope that, at some point...repeatedly pointing this out helps you to realize that your objections are in internal self contradiction. You cannot first claim that materialism (or science) cannot account for something....and then object to all of the ways that it accounts for that very thing. Both statements cannot be true, if you have something to object to.....then obviously there is an accounting -to- object to.
You can only, rationally, express your disagreement with that accounting, or in your case, contempt.
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