RE: Occams Hatchet and Is Materialism "Special"
October 1, 2016 at 8:38 pm
(This post was last modified: October 1, 2016 at 8:48 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(October 1, 2016 at 6:56 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: Please, Rhythm. (respectful tone) I don’t believe you are expressing yourself with sufficient nuance to convey what the term of art, materialism, means to you by saying things like the following:Sound doesn't cause music, we haven;t even been discussing musics cause. You asked me what music was made out of. I answered. I gave you the very common, very uninteresting, very dry material explanation for the composition of music...that we both -already knew- What it was made out of. That there is no problem here is -your- problem. You have nothing to say about materialism's explanation..of what sound is made of. Respect, lol, you waded into this flinging shit around and babbling about your ignorant self serving interpretations of materialism and materialists. Don't get soft on me now.
The problem with the above is that even Thomas Aquinas would say a song is made out of sound, or rather vibrating molecules. He would call it the material cause. So when you say, “Materialism is a statement regarding the composition of the things we see,” you have haven’t actually defined materialism as a metaphysical theory; but rather, just noted the material cause of music.
Quote:I interpret from your explicit statements that, for you, materialism is a monist ontology that claims everything can be described in terms of matter and its modifications. At the same time you use words, like composition, which contain tacit assumptions with implications far beyond material interaction, as follows:Your interpretations have been your problem from the moment you chose to share them.
Quote:You may not realize it but composition could be just another way of saying formal cause with respect to its essence and final cause with respect to its sense, what the song is about. To dispense with these non-material causes requires more work.
Composition...as in the musical sense, jesus christ. It's material composition was a question that hardly needed to be answered, which you pretended had some deep..deep thing to say about materialism. Obviously, it didn't, and neither do you. You just wanted to get around to bullshitting us about immaterial causes. Get back to me when you find one.
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