RE: Occams Hatchet and Is Materialism "Special"
October 3, 2016 at 11:21 am
(This post was last modified: October 3, 2016 at 11:29 am by The Grand Nudger.)
More of Chad, above, telling us what materialists do, and what materialisms problem is,, despite not having the first fucking clue what materialism is, by assessment of his objections.
Who insists that, who? Pitch straw elsewhere, I'm an asshole when people do it, it won't be fun. I think that what we've detected thusfar is material..no surprise there, since we designed our equipment to detect the material.
(October 3, 2016 at 2:18 am)bennyboy Wrote: I can keep repeating myself. It's a fun game to play, my 4 year-old son seems to like it.Benny, there's no reason to tell us that you don't disagree with the science...and then -immediately- elaborate on all of the ways that you disagree with the science. This is idiocy......and I already said we could toss it...I gave you the floor, now, all you want to do with it, is keep bitching and moaning about the non-science? Well wtf, man?
I'm not against science. I'm not against science of brain, or behavioral science. What I am against is the conflation of assumption with assertion. Upon taking the philosophical position that all is material, it's not surprising that you'd wave toward the brain, or that you'd call it material, or that you'd think anything in our experience must be explained in material terms.
Quote:Even that's fine. However, in your insistence that all things are material, you are stuck with the problem of mind.
Who insists that, who? Pitch straw elsewhere, I'm an asshole when people do it, it won't be fun. I think that what we've detected thusfar is material..no surprise there, since we designed our equipment to detect the material.
Quote:It cannot be physically measured, nor inferred from any physical properties of any system unless you already believe those things to have mind. Given that 100% of things we think we know, or perceive, or interact with in any way, are done so only through the agency of subjective minds, that's a pretty big assumption.I already know that you believe mind cannot be quantified, nor inferred. /shugs
Quote:In essence, you are using your subjective agency to infer its own nature. I'm pretty sure obvious circular logic is not one of the tenets of good scientific procedure. So if you want to claim that in arguing against you, I'm against science, then please be so kind as to demonstrate that your position represents scientific views, and mind does not.Well, since we can't -not- use our subjective agency to infer -anything-...again it seems like it's hardly a problem for the materialist position - just a criticism of knowledge in the general. A vain wish that we had some other tool. You're -also- using your subjective agency to make claims about it, but that circular relationship, as you see it, doesn't seem to bother you in the case of your own opinions and statements.
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