RE: Occams Hatchet and Is Materialism "Special"
October 4, 2016 at 9:36 am
(This post was last modified: October 4, 2016 at 9:45 am by The Grand Nudger.)
(October 4, 2016 at 9:18 am)bennyboy Wrote: "Idea" isn't something you figure out. It's a label for the things I think about. I imagine a red fire truck-- it has form, shape, etc. Both the fire truck and its various properties are ideas.It's not? So ideas are whatever it is you think...what does that tell us about their composition though? How does that tell us that ideas are made of ideas? What is a medium outside of a material framework?
Quote:Nope. I'm just arguing against your interpretations of the massive collection of experiences and ideas we call the universe.-right, with an invocation of solipsism that you do not, in turn, apply to your "ideas" whatever they are.
Quote:As you experience it, the table is a representation of the properties of something-- its shape, color, texture and so on. There's a word for that, and it's not "material." It's "idea." We don't know much, but we DO know for sure that there's nothing existent in the universe with those properties, since there's no such thing as, for example, brown matter.There's nothing in the universe with the proporties of a table. Nothing at all....not even a table? WTF? First, deny the universe, then..deny tables? This, ladies and gentleman, is why materialism is wrong.
Quote:No, it's not like that. That begs the question, and unnecessarily so. Og only needs to know that clubs hurt, and that stuff gets crushed when he hits it. He doesn't have to posit anything beyond the experiential facts, like assumptions about an underlying framework.
Well, he does have to posit something beyond the "experiential facts" (lol, really?..didn;t you just get through telling us, by reference to a table, how non-factual our experiences are?) if he wants to explain why things are crushed.......
Can you think of some example where an immaterial thing crushed something? I just want to know what we're talking about here..where's the actual exception to the material rule in the statemen, not the nod to provisional certainty which is implicit in all rational knowledge claims?
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