RE: Occams Hatchet and Is Materialism "Special"
October 4, 2016 at 3:21 pm
(This post was last modified: October 4, 2016 at 3:42 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(October 4, 2016 at 2:50 pm)bennyboy Wrote: "seem" is the key word in that paragraph. It's already pretty well established that things are not as they seem to us.Hey, doubt our experience all you want, it's certainly not accurate in every instance I'm aware of. More of a problem for you than me, to be honest.
Quote:There are useful ideas, many of which involve pragmatic assumptions. The idea of material is useful when you're making a bridge. It's also useful in studying brain chemistry, and altering the nature of experience through the administration of drugs. It's not so useful in establishing the ultimate nature of reality; and it's piss-poor at explaining why there are actual subjective minds, rather than only philosophical zombies.So you keep insisting, based upon the experience, which is all we have, whose accuracy you doubt.
Quote:But as I've said maybe 6 times now, if you are such a champion of the material view, in particular of science, then let's bring in the science of qualia and see where it leads us. It's my belief that any mind scientist worth his salt will address the same philosophical issues that I have, then shrug and say, "but we choose to move on."You already know where it leads us, and have decided that it's non-science. Look, if you find an unanswerable question theres nothing you -can- do but move on...but finding that unanswerable question won;t make any of your other anwers to other questions wrong...and you have yet to identify an unanswerable question in the first place. Only those things which you feel have not been answered (some of which I've been more than happy to agree with and concede as unanswered questions). There -is- a difference. I'm being too generous by far here, because of course you realy only have that one question, huh, that one special instance in which you think that what is bvroadly applicable to everything else...as you so casually recounted to us above - doesn't fit. No matter what it is you ask me, and no matter how many times or whether or not I give you inscrutably accurate answers to -exactly- what you ask...you will tell me that you are -really- discussing that one thing...by a million different names. You ask me about music, you don;t really want to talk about music. You wanna talk about mind. You ask about a table, but again it;s not actually a table you;re talking about, you wanna talk about mind. On and on this goes. Chad there, he asks the same questions, but he doesn't wanna talk about that shit any more than you do, he's angling for immaterial causes.
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