Occams Hatchet and Is Materialism "Special"

[The Grand Nudger]

I've said so for a simple reason.  Science is about studying that which can be objectively observed (i.e. all people can observe them), and qualia cannot.

So you keep insisting.

But I'm perfectly open to changing my opinion about this.  Go ahead. . . you say science of mind is being done, I say science of correlates of mind is all that can be done.  So go ahead and bring in science to prove your point.  You keep saying you've "arrived at" a material world view because of the great consistency of objective observations, etc. etc.  For someone with that position, you are able to provide shockingly little evidence that actually supports your view.

No you're not, lol, and I'm not interested in pretending that you are.   There's no point in me presenting evidence, you'll call it non-science....for reasons that only you can fathom..which have escaped all of those researchers.  Even -you- understand why I have confidence in the material explanations for..say, sound....color, and tables.  There;s just that one special thing........ / shrugs. You don't even -dispute- material explanations, you want to claim them for "ideas"..they're subsumed, remember?

For guys that don't want to "talk about that shit," we've sure made a lot of posts, haven't we?

-all circling the same drain, yeah...that's exactly what I just said.  

Given what we know now, I'd like you even to explain what material MEANS.  Are you prepared to say that reality is made up of ambiguous mathematical formulae and nothing more, and stick to your guns in calling this a material reality?  It seems to me that the idea of matter itself has been stretched to the point where it's no less representational than the "desk" idea.

What's the objection again, that materialism is stuck at billiards balls or that it's come to include too much of what we know and have discovered? There's no point in responding, again, to either... until you can decide which it is.