RE: Occams Hatchet and Is Materialism "Special"
October 4, 2016 at 9:04 pm
(This post was last modified: October 4, 2016 at 9:10 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(October 4, 2016 at 8:50 pm)bennyboy Wrote:So, again..and just to be clear. You don't need me to explain any other thing via materialism, you're cool with all of that, in fact idealism subsumes it all as an accurate description. If I I describe sound ala materialism you;'re not going to pop up and say "aha, that;s wrong, you can't know that, and materialism can;t explain it!"(October 4, 2016 at 8:38 pm)Rhythm Wrote: As predicted, you ask about materialism, and then immediately default to mind. Just to be clear, you don't care whether or not anything, or indeed -everything- else is explained via materialism...it's just this one thing? You mean non-science papers, because science can't even study qualia, right? Remind me.Mind isn't a little thing. It's literally everything for us.
Just mind, just this one special thing?
...you don't already see a fundamental problem with our interactions?
Quote:So yeah, this one issue matters that much. But look, bring even the kind of "non-science" papers I'm talking about; frankly, I'll be surprised if you can find ANY serious scientific paper that will touch the issue of qualia with a 10-foot pole. Seriously-- I've tried to find any scientific commentary on qualia; I've tried to find research papers about it; I've spent tens of minutes googling various things like "scientific definition of qualia" or "scientific qualia experiments," and it is very hard to come up with anything.Serious is the new non.
Quote:I suspect it's because scientists, like me, are perfectly aware that you can't objectively study the nature of subjectivity.I suspect it's because you stopped looking when it suited you.
Quote:I'd prefer science to non-science, but you and I both know that qualia is neither a thing nor an observable property of things.So you keep insisting.
Quote:It's the major shortcoming of the material world view, and anyone who wants to make positive assertions about reality in favor of materialism will have to have a very good answer to the question of mind. So far, the one thing that we ALL observe, all the time-- the experience of ideas-- is so poorly explained that the current material view of reality must be considered seriously incomplete.lol....you keep making the same mistake. If i tell you about the mistake, you complain about being notified, and then proceed to repeat yourself.
Quote:But I'll keep asking-- do you have any actual science to support your position? If not, then why are you a materialist? What about your experience is so compelling that you are willing actually to DEFINE ALL OF REALITY, to put it all in a single box and to claim that nothing we know of may rest outside that box? How is this a better position than "I don't know"?
"Prove my repeated insistence wrong" - No. "Defend this position I just came up with for you". No.
Do your own homework.
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