(October 5, 2016 at 7:33 pm)bennyboy Wrote: Yeah, I know. Hand-waving, seen it before. You could wave at my brain in order to show that my text messages come from somewhere in there. You could also wave in the general direction of Korea with the same effect-- the confident knowledge that somewhere in there, somehow, text messages are getting formed. But this is not a good explanation for the existence of the text messages, is it?Right, and hand waiving is also what you would call the science you still insist cannot be presented to you. In fact, you have done that. So, gaian, the science must exists, and there;s either no reason for you to ask for it again and again......or it doesn't...and your objection to it is meaningless, as are all the requests to see it.
Quote:Nah. . . you'd need some kind of mechanism to explain it.Conveniently, there isn't just one such mechanism in the materialists camp, but many. You know my favorite. In fact, my favorite mechanism is the very same mechanism to which -you- defer when explaining ideas and idealism.
Quote:You've been resorting exclusively to metacommentary about me, my manner of engaging, etc. What you haven't been resorting to is proving your assertion with science, despite being such a champion of it.I'm not asserting anything other than it's existence, troll. You're the one that jkeeps vacillating between pretending it doesn't exist, and then criticizing what you think doesn;t exist as hand waiving, or non-science.
Quote:Okay I'm going to make this easy on you. I'm not going to ask you to show me science about qualia. I'm going to go infinitely easier-- show me science that demonstrates the truth of your world view, since you claim it is a rational one, and NOT a philosophical assumption.Show you the science.....that demonstrates that a table is made out of matter? What -else- could science demonstrate? It's necessarily materialistic.............how can this not be getting through?
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