RE: How can a Christian reject part of the Bible and still call themselves a Christian?
October 8, 2016 at 1:45 pm
(October 7, 2016 at 6:44 pm)Lek Wrote:(October 7, 2016 at 6:19 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: Every time someone makes an existential claim, my mind is open to the truth of that claim, including every theistic claim I have ever been presented with.
When I first read the Bible, I was still a believer. I was as sincere to know if it contained the truth as possible. Yet the god character described within, never made his existence apparent. Despite my pleading and openness. I then spent several years of study (at the university level, and self study) in hopes of finding said god. Again, this was a sincere search, not one to "disprove god". And still nothing.
So, how is it my fault? Why was Saul worthy of a Damascus road experience, but I'm not?
The problem we are having with this discussion, is that you are so deep in your bubble of belief, I think it is next to impossible for you to hypothetically put yourself in our position.
You want us to read the Bible with the goal of seeking the god, that you already believe exists. We don't believe that any god exists, so, without first being given a rational reasons to believe any god exists, we can't just skip from disbelief in the existence of any god, right to the Bible.
Can you possibly consider sincerely seeking the gods of the Hindus?
I can't deny your experience Simon. I only know mine. So obviously, you were having doubts for awhile. Did you leave the faith because those doubts finally overcame your desire to try to overcome them? If God spoke to you now would you believe him or are you just too far convinced that God doesn't exist to believe the experience? In other words, are you still open?
I am still open, but my openness is now tempered with a lot more knowledge.
For example, I understand how easy the human mind can be fooled. Even the most sane people are susceptible to: hallucination, confirmation bias, misinterpretations of sensory input, misinterpretation of nonstandard natural brain states, etc.
So, if a god does exist, and it wants to convince me of its existence, it would know exactly how to do so, without resembling any of the above possible natural explanations. If, on the other hand, said god communicates with me without me being able to differentiate it from a natural explanation, then how is it my fault for not being convinced?
You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.