Another Circumcision thread

[The Grand Nudger]

Well sorry for both your losses.

Don't be, it's so common that it;s the fabric of human existence.  We're all made of heartier stuff. I'm guessing your friend is too. You romantic, you, lol.

But arguing over whether to call what had been carried before it was lost doesn't seem kind.  Maybe we can just all have our own thoughts about that, and if there is a legal nit to pick start a thread for those interested?

I don't think it matters at all what we call it, in fact I don't know why we even began to discuss abortion - I see no relevance to circumcision.  Can you recall, how and why that happened, how it become the subject of conversation? 

Politics and the law are messy.  Don't we agree that maximizing personal freedom is generally desirable?  But there are a lot of tough calls - especially as regards parents rights where their kids are concerned.  There are areas where parental rights are currently respected where I would prefer that the state and the law intercede.  Vaccinations for one.  But I'm just not feeling the need to intercede over circumcision.  [Insert obvious joke about mutilation induced loss of feeling here.]

Whos personal freedoms are we talking about?  The personal freedoms of a person to order another person to cut away part of yet another person?  I think that's an impressive failure to consider what would have the be the most relevant personal freedoms.  The personal freedom of the third party not to be subject to the situation described above and have the perpetrators shielded from law...by indifference and societal acceptance.  

Abortion is really the opposite situation where precedent of law already favors the individual's decision whether to continue a pregnancy.  I'm against changing that and I appreciate when people who feel strongly that abortion is a horror not constantly grind that ax at every opportunity.   I just think for the same reasons that people who feel my wiener is an atrocity not constantly bang away at it every opportunity they get.  Don't want the little guy to get a complex or start recovering memories.

You mean, in an abortion case, one particular set of interests is seen as the compelling interest?  Yeah....it is............  Do you thnk there might be a compelling interest in circumcision?  Whose is that, by your reckoning? I mean, I;m having this conversation here, with you, trying as hard as I can to get somebody to come down on the side of the baby....which is a regrettable failure, imo, in abortion cases...but a necessary one. Maybe we can;t stop them from being killed in utero....but, surely, we can stop people from hacking pieces of them away to suit religious convictions/misinformed cleanliness fetishism? We do that, for the girls......