bennyboy Wrote:RoadRunner79 Wrote:The reason it has come up, may be because of my religious beliefs. But I am really only trying to discuss this particular form of reasoning about knowledge. I would also disagree, that it is necessarily weak in nature.... but we can never get to that point.
I don't think that any motivations whether real or allusioned to by an interlocutor have any effect on the reasoning (neither do the consequences of a paticular case). This is about the general, not the specific.
To me, it's pretty simple. When you are taking evidence that cannot be confirmed (like by another ballistics expert for example), then you have to determine whether the evidence by anecdote has sufficient value to be taken into consideration. There's also, and this has been mentioned and I think it's crucially important-- the issue of setting the standard.
The standard is set by a number of factors-- the importance of the thing being asked about, the degree to which the listener resists the fact being asserted by the anecdote, the level of motivation of the anecdote-teller, and so on. If someone says they saw cold fusion in a lab, but the data was lost in a fire, I'd be REALLY suspicious, and would flat-out tell them to fuck off until they can show real experimental data-- that's because cold fusion is an issue of HUGE importance, and would be a game-changer if confirmed to be done under reasonable conditions.
Even more important is when someone tells me something that is CONTRARY to facts I already consider known. I know that things fall down when I let them go. If you told me that once, on a particularly stormy Friday evening, an apple fell UP, I'd file that away as 99% bullshit and 1% mystery. So if you, for example, say a man has walked on water, I'd want to inspect the site and look for a ledge or glass platform under its surface. I'd want him to reproduce the act in conditions under my control. I wouldn't say-- thousands of people say they saw him, so he must really have done what they say he did.
Right, thousands of people see magicians doing miraculous-seeming tricks all the time; that in no way means that the illusions were real because thousands of people saw them. And remember, magicians had no 'code' of being upfront about their trickery thousands of years ago. A few parlor tricks could easily be parlayed into forming a new cult back then. I'm not saying that's what happened, just that it could have...and we have no way of knowing what the actual case was.
I'm not anti-Christian. I'm anti-stupid.