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Is Deism a "cop out"?
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RE: Is Deism a "cop out"?
(October 16, 2016 at 2:49 pm)Aegon Wrote:
(October 16, 2016 at 1:23 pm)Vic Wrote: As to what's the point in it, there isn't one. It's a belief. Something people view as true for varying reasons. I don't think it can have a point really.

You're right. But say one is a practicing Catholic, and decides that the God they've been taught just doesn't add up with the knowledge we have today. But still wants there to be a God. They'd be forced into Deistic belief. However, they now lose the ability to feel and connect with God. So they've lost one of the main benefits to religious belief; faith that there is something out there controlling everything that means well.

IMO, it may be more depressing to think that we were created by something and immediately abandoned, implying that our diverse, complex lives are not relevant to our creator.

(October 16, 2016 at 2:34 pm)Arkilogue Wrote: Exactly what specific BS is "traditional" when it comes to believing in God?  

Some of the oldest "traditions" call God, The Hidden One....which is exactly what "amen" means.

I was thinking along the lines of Abrahamic religions, and the holy books that control them. So many former Christians deconverted once they realized the problems with the Bible. With Deism, you get to subtract nearly all of those contradictions until you have...just God. God without the problems you get from believing the Bible or Quoran are holy code meant to be followed and respected.

I always accidentally "Christianize" things when I talk about religion. I forget how diverse religion can be, and how different religion has been throughout history.

I see forms that rise and fall over time and civilizations, each having some features of what passed before them. Amen for instance is originally from Egypt.

My own journey has been a collection of forms, a destruction of forms and growth of a new form out of the ashes that is my own personal relationship with God based on a growing understanding. A lot of it is a theological/mental belief system (what I consider deism) but it's also an immersive relationship of change and growth (what I would consider theism and real religion). And it's not just a nebulous "feel good" spirituality...just as much as it cut's through outer bullshit for me, it cuts through inner bullshit and kicks my ass daily. Whether wrong or right, it functions well and I continue to work on it.

Reason? Authenticity and love. If there is a God that all returns to, I want to bring something I created out of love, not something some some one else created that I hide behind out of fear. Kind of like the parable of the talents.
"Leave it to me to find a way to be,
Consider me a satellite forever orbiting,
I knew the rules but the rules did not know me, guaranteed." - Eddie Vedder
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Is Deism a "cop out"? - by Aegon - October 16, 2016 at 1:13 pm
RE: Is Deism a "cop out"? - by Chad32 - October 16, 2016 at 1:19 pm
RE: Is Deism a "cop out"? - by Longhorn - October 16, 2016 at 1:20 pm
RE: Is Deism a "cop out"? - by Longhorn - October 16, 2016 at 1:23 pm
RE: Is Deism a "cop out"? - by Minimalist - October 16, 2016 at 1:33 pm
RE: Is Deism a "cop out"? - by abaris - October 16, 2016 at 1:56 pm
RE: Is Deism a "cop out"? - by Whateverist - October 16, 2016 at 2:03 pm
RE: Is Deism a "cop out"? - by Arkilogue - October 16, 2016 at 2:34 pm
RE: Is Deism a "cop out"? - by chimp3 - October 16, 2016 at 2:34 pm
RE: Is Deism a "cop out"? - by Aegon - October 16, 2016 at 2:49 pm
RE: Is Deism a "cop out"? - by Arkilogue - October 16, 2016 at 3:47 pm
RE: Is Deism a "cop out"? - by Thumpalumpacus - October 24, 2016 at 10:14 pm
RE: Is Deism a "cop out"? - by Simon Moon - October 16, 2016 at 6:36 pm
RE: Is Deism a "cop out"? - by Drich - October 19, 2016 at 1:45 pm
RE: Is Deism a "cop out"? - by The Grand Nudger - October 19, 2016 at 1:49 pm
RE: Is Deism a "cop out"? - by mlmooney89 - October 19, 2016 at 2:08 pm
RE: Is Deism a "cop out"? - by Catholic_Lady - October 19, 2016 at 2:22 pm
RE: Is Deism a "cop out"? - by Whateverist - October 19, 2016 at 2:31 pm
RE: Is Deism a "cop out"? - by vorlon13 - October 19, 2016 at 2:43 pm
RE: Is Deism a "cop out"? - by Grandizer - October 19, 2016 at 4:01 pm
RE: Is Deism a "cop out"? - by Faith No More - October 19, 2016 at 4:03 pm
RE: Is Deism a "cop out"? - by Crossless1 - October 19, 2016 at 4:18 pm
RE: Is Deism a "cop out"? - by account_inactive - October 19, 2016 at 8:23 pm
RE: Is Deism a "cop out"? - by comet - October 20, 2016 at 5:40 am
RE: Is Deism a "cop out"? - by Grandizer - October 20, 2016 at 6:04 am
RE: Is Deism a "cop out"? - by comet - October 20, 2016 at 6:04 pm
RE: Is Deism a "cop out"? - by Whateverist - October 23, 2016 at 2:27 pm
RE: Is Deism a "cop out"? - by Edwardo Piet - October 20, 2016 at 7:33 pm
RE: Is Deism a "cop out"? - by Mr Greene - October 23, 2016 at 2:10 pm
RE: Is Deism a "cop out"? - by Edwardo Piet - October 23, 2016 at 6:22 pm
RE: Is Deism a "cop out"? - by robvalue - October 24, 2016 at 1:43 am
RE: Is Deism a "cop out"? - by Angrboda - October 24, 2016 at 2:13 am
RE: Is Deism a "cop out"? - by comet - October 24, 2016 at 4:32 pm
RE: Is Deism a "cop out"? - by robvalue - October 24, 2016 at 3:34 am
RE: Is Deism a "cop out"? - by Faith No More - October 24, 2016 at 8:49 pm
RE: Is Deism a "cop out"? - by comet - October 25, 2016 at 5:17 pm
RE: Is Deism a "cop out"? - by Arkilogue - October 25, 2016 at 5:24 pm
RE: Is Deism a "cop out"? - by Thumpalumpacus - October 24, 2016 at 10:07 pm
RE: Is Deism a "cop out"? - by robvalue - October 25, 2016 at 6:07 am
RE: Is Deism a "cop out"? - by MysticKnight - October 25, 2016 at 11:32 am
RE: Is Deism a "cop out"? - by Whateverist - October 25, 2016 at 11:35 am
RE: Is Deism a "cop out"? - by goombah111 - October 30, 2016 at 1:34 am
RE: Is Deism a "cop out"? - by Whateverist - October 30, 2016 at 1:42 am

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