(October 19, 2016 at 12:34 pm)Asmodee Wrote:I came to my understanding after working with an old idea: Chaos (Greek), Ain Aoph Aur and the Tzimtzum (ancient Judaism), the mixture of Apsu and Tiamat (Sumerian), Nun (Egyptian), Ananta Sesha and Vishnu (Hindu). All these concepts/ideas are of an infinite undifferentiated substance/god that is moved/separated/carved out of to make the space of the universe.(October 18, 2016 at 9:24 pm)Arkilogue Wrote: I can only speak from my own understanding...
No, there is only one eternal (without beginning) God, but there are also infinite gods who can live for the rest of eternity (without end).
The original God is an infinitely spatial mass and in an act of self expression began "creation" (universes/relative spaces), the primary aspect of the "Word" is of being an individual, a "one". So the expression creates infinite one's as finite individuals (gods/universes) with the original infinite God, now surrounded by space voided of matter The infnite One (God) and the finite ones (gods) each have a fixed surface border and space between them.
Each is developed like an embryo and there is a birth event of fully developed individual universes/gods leaving the confinement of the metaversal stack, off the top, to exist as free agents in the field of the original Infinite God.
Oh, so many problems with that.
First, how did you come about this "understanding"? To understand is to infer something from information received. What possible information could you have which lead you to this very specific conclusion?
Second, "spatial mass"? The definitions of those words very much do not fit the description of any god of creation. "Spatial" is "of or relating to space" and "mass" refers to "matter", NEITHER OF WHICH existed before the universe. So if the One God is a "spatial mass" who made the universe, creating both space and matter, how does that work? His creation would have to exist before his existence would be possible!
Third, the rest of that is just nonsense.
The mass before the universe takes up all available space forever. A universe is a voided space and the basic stable building block of matter inside the universe is an atom.....mostly voided space with an extremely tiny amount of actual mass constantly moving around in it.
I also arrived at the infinite mass idea by following the logic of the Big Bang and correcting for the perspective errors it is always presented with by media: We are always shown a shining dot (singularity) in a sea of blackness with our point of perspective (camera) outside in that sea of blackness. Then the singularity inflates and the inflation border passes our presupposed point of perspective then "ABRACADABRA" we are inside an inflating universe!
First: There is no black/empty/imaginary space outside the singularity. The Big Bang theory states that all the mass/space/time of our universe is in that singularity, there is no external space for a presupposed perspective to view it from/be in. The only valid point of perspective is inside the singularity.
Second: When you enter the singularity with your perspective, look around, where is the border? Does it have a center relative to a non-extant external "nothing" space? No. It has no border, the center is everywhere. The singularity is an infinite mass in gravitational equilibrium. And when it quantum fluctuates, it makes more than one universe at a time.
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Consider me a satellite forever orbiting,
I knew the rules but the rules did not know me, guaranteed." - Eddie Vedder