Statler Wrote:You keep playing three card Monty with the burden of proof here. We know that mono-chirality is necessary for life. You are asserting that not only can life spontaneously generate on earth, but it did. So the burden of proof is actually on you to demonstrate this. This will be a tough task considering no lab experiment has ever resulted in mono-chiral amino acids and we have never observed them to appear in nature outside the cell. Best of luck.
No one here has said that mono-chirality is not necessary for life. You have repeatedly said that mono-chiral amino acids cannot be spontaneously generated on Earth. That is your claim. Not mine. Back up your claim of drop it.
Statler Wrote:What? Again, if this life is using amino acids to form anything it is using DNA to do so.
Did you read the paper? Of course you didn't. We were discussing peptides. Did you miss something?
Statler Wrote:I don’t really have to support it because the burden of proof is on you (you are the one asserting it did happen). We have never observed it to happen, so to say it happened is just a matter of faith. This is all fine and dandy, but I already have my own faith.
Indeed you do. Apparently you have faith that you can make a reasonable argument without supporting your claims. You said:
Statler Wrote:No I said that amino acids don’t align themselves naturally outside of the cell.
Again, this is YOUR claim. You also claim "we have never observed it". Again, YOUR claim.
Statler Wrote:Ok, well then where are these documents proving it was much worse than American Slavery? You have still produced nothing.
You really know nothing about the history of slavery, do you? I would wager that it is easier to list who didn't own slaves during the bronze age, except I can't think of a single culture that didn't. Can you?
Statler Wrote:Exodus records the fact that slavery happened in those days. Sure Abraham had servants, where in scripture does it say Abraham was perfect and sinless?
Servants? You mean like Benson on "soap"? I don't think so. Erm, Abraham had a famous child with one of his slaves, according to the Bible. Can you think of any historical accounts other than the Bible that described slavery in the region during Biblical times?
Rohl findings? He wrote an entire book trying to pinpoint the "legendary" garden of Eden. Do you really think very many archaeologists actually take his work seriously?
The past 20 years has seen a huge amount of effort going into excavating and studying ancient Egypt's labor force, and the fact of the matter is that most of it consisted of Egyptian laborers. The fact of the matter is that if the Israelites had ever been held in bondage for hundreds of years, as described in the book of Exodus, there would be a rather sizable cemetary holding the bodies of all these Israelites. The fact of the matter is that no cemetaries containing the graves of such Israelites have ever been discovered. In fact, the Egyptians, who probably we better at chronicling their history never once discuss the exodus, or having Israelite slaves.
Statler Wrote:I thought it made it pretty clear that their native names were listed along with their Egyptian names (something Exodus mentions) and these native names were Hebrew which means they were Israelites.
Then perhaps you can provide us with a list of these names so we can see if theiy are Israelite names, so we don't have to just take your word for it.
Statler Wrote:It is true. So we have an Egyptian...
Crash, boom, bang. Erm, you have one parchment containing the names of either laborers or prisoners from some3where in Asia. Sorry, this doesn't prove anything.
Statler Wrote:Just because Abraham did it does not mean it was condoned in the Bible.
Wow, that's a pretty miopic viewpoint. Odd how you will support "biblical' archaeological findings when they support your rather narrow creationist viewpoint and ignore the rest.
http://www.bible.gen.nz/amos/themes/slavery.htm
And Statler, the "proof" to which I referred had to do with the validity of some version of the theory of abiogenesis, the idea that life can evolve out of primordeal organic compounds uner the right conditions.
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"In short, Meyer has shown that his first disastrous book was not a fluke: he is capable of going into any field in which he has no training or research experience and botching it just as badly as he did molecular biology. As I've written before, if you are a complete amateur and don't understand a subject, don't demonstrate the Dunning-Kruger effect by writing a book about it and proving your ignorance to everyone else! "
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-- Samuel "Mark Twain" Clemens
"I think that in the discussion of natural problems we ought to begin not with the scriptures, but with experiments, demonstrations, and observations".
- Galileo Galilei (1564-1642)
"In short, Meyer has shown that his first disastrous book was not a fluke: he is capable of going into any field in which he has no training or research experience and botching it just as badly as he did molecular biology. As I've written before, if you are a complete amateur and don't understand a subject, don't demonstrate the Dunning-Kruger effect by writing a book about it and proving your ignorance to everyone else! "
- Dr. Donald Prothero
