Fundies Will Be Shitting Bricks

[Statler Waldorf]

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No one here has said that mono-chirality is not necessary for life. You have repeatedly said that mono-chiral amino acids cannot be spontaneously generated on Earth. That is your claim. Not mine. Back up your claim of drop it.

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Well I guess it is easy enough for me to do so. There has never been a natural or intelligently guided process outside of the living cell observed in nature nor in the laboratory that can produce only the mono-chiral amino acids that are necessary for life. There that did it. Now if you believe this is incorrect, the burden is on you to demonstrate otherwise.

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Did you read the paper? Of course you didn't. We were discussing peptides. Did you miss something?

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On the contrary, did you read your own article? If you did, then you would have known that they intelligently designed the peptides to go against their natural tendencies and to self align in a manner that is not biologically normal. So this in no way proves that this could even happen naturally.

Self-assembly occurs through hydrogen bonding between the peptides, but in a manner contrary to their natural tendency because of the presence of the dendrons. Instead of hydrogen bonding in an antiparallel arrangement as peptides do, the peptidic dendrons arrange in a parallel manner. "The mechanism of organization is different from those known in biology," Percec says.

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Again, this is YOUR claim. You also claim "we have never observed it". Again, YOUR claim.

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What you are asking for is ridiculous; you are asking me to prove the negative position here. Am I supposed to provide a paper saying, “We have never observed amino acids to align themselves naturally”? That would be silly. You are the one saying not only can it happen but it did, so it is up to you to prove this. I don’t believe that unicorns are real. Why not? Well we have never directly observed them. So neither do I believe amino acids to be able to self assemble naturally outside of the cell. Why not? Well we have never directly observed this.

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You really know nothing about the history of slavery, do you? I would wager that it is easier to list who didn't own slaves during the bronze age, except I can't think of a single culture that didn't. Can you?

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I am still waiting for those historical documents you claimed to have proving slavery in Bible times was worse than American slavery….still wafting…..waiting.

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Servants? You mean like Benson on "soap"? I don't think so. Erm, Abraham had a famous child with one of his slaves, according to the Bible. Can you think of any historical accounts other than the Bible that described slavery in the region during Biblical times?

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Huh? Some translations say “servant” yes, probably because they were released after 6 years and given financial support upon their release, hardly synonymous with American slavery if you ask me.

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Rohl findings? He wrote an entire book trying to pinpoint the "legendary" garden of Eden. Do you really think very many archaeologists actually take his work seriously?

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Yep, many do. Talk about circularity, you don’t accept the historical claims made in the Bible because you claim there is no evidence to support them but then you turn around and bash an archeologist for investigating and seeing if he can find evidence.

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The past 20 years has seen a huge amount of effort going into excavating and studying ancient Egypt's labor force, and the fact of the matter is that most of it consisted of Egyptian laborers. The fact of the matter is that if the Israelites had ever been held in bondage for hundreds of years, as described in the book of Exodus, there would be a rather sizable cemetary holding the bodies of all these Israelites. The fact of the matter is that no cemetaries containing the graves of such Israelites have ever been discovered. In fact, the Egyptians, who probably we better at chronicling their history never once discuss the exodus, or having Israelite slaves.

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Except according to the Rohl findings, large cemeteries were found containing mostly women and babies. These were thought to be Israelites because of the sheep they raised. So stop ignoring evidence and then asserting it does not exist because you ignored it. You could at least just admit you don’t accept it.

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Crash, boom, bang. Erm, you have one parchment containing the names of either laborers or prisoners from some3where in Asia. Sorry, this doesn't prove anything.

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I was talking about the piece written by Ipuwer (an Egyptian), not the slave decree which you seem to still be referring to. Crash and boom is right.

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Wow, that's a pretty miopic viewpoint. Odd how you will support "biblical' archaeological findings when they support your rather narrow creationist viewpoint and ignore the rest.

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Why do you keep acting like I am saying there were no slaves in Bible times? I have made two assertions you seem to have completely missed. 1. Slaves in those days were not similar to American Slaves since Hebrew makes no distinction between the word “slave” and “servant”. 2. Just because Abraham owned slaves or servants it does not mean the Bible is condoning the act of owning slaves. So stop trying to prove something I am not even arguing against.