(October 25, 2016 at 6:46 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:(October 25, 2016 at 6:20 pm)Excited Penguin Wrote: Like abaris said. These people are adults willingly listening to these morons. Not my place to tell them they should do otherwise.
If I one day choose to listen to what a person or an organization tells me to do, I won't want anyone trying to convince me to do otherwise. I have my own head on my shoulders, thank you very much, fuck off.
I see. So, if you believed in the tenets of National Socialism (and I'm not for a moment suggesting that you do) and orders came down that you would be required to help man the ovens at Dachau, no one has the right to criticize either the orders or to tell you that following them is wrong?
Sorry to have to inform you of this, but '...willingly listening to morons' has caused more sorrow, grief and eradication of human dignity than anything else I can think of.
Boru
As far as I know, the Vatican isn't instructing anyone to commit atrocities or break the law. So that's not what I meant, nor would I do that or expect moral agents to stand by doing nothing if I did.