(October 23, 2016 at 5:20 pm)bennyboy Wrote:(October 23, 2016 at 1:51 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote:Okay, let me make a little list of some of the factors I would consider:
1) Evidence is founded on a single philosophical principle: that there are multiple sentient beings, and that they experience an objective world. The evidence, then, must exclusively describe things and their properties at various times: "I saw a man. He walked along the top of a body of water." This is objective evidence. Note, however, that EVEN THEN, a person can be wrong-- maybe he didn't see a man, but rather a hologram. Maybe he didn't really walk on water-- maybe he walked on a submerged sand bar.
2) Related to (1), it cannot involve subjective interpretations of those descriptions: "A holy and spiritual man walked along the top of a body of water with God's help." This fails because the person is not actually describing only things and their properties, and is therefore not making an objective statement of fact.
I would mostly agree. The evidence, is knowledge (which they can transfer to another) about what they experienced and observed. The interpretation of that, I could also consider evidence, but not nearly as strong, and is not incontrovertible. That is that it should be taken into consideration, but doesn't stand alone. For example, someone saying that they saw a ghost, is an interpretation, and doesn't really tell me much about what they saw (or at least what I envision may be drastically different, then what they had seen); more details would be required for me to make my own determination.
I think that it can be a fine line at times, between skepticism and seeking to follow the evidence where it leads. Are we asking questions, because there are other possibilities, which may not have been realized. Or are we trying to editorialize the evidence, and read into it, what we want, rather than letting it speak for itself. Someone brought up the miracle of the sun previously. A quick search, will reveal that there are those who said that the witnesses stories are not as a like, as others may have claimed. And then their is the explanation, that staring at the sun, can cause such distortions in vision, as where described. Here, I think that this adds to the account, and explains the evidence better. On the other end, at times it seems, that people are looking for any other answer other than the one they do not want to accept the evidence for.
Quote:3) With regard to credibility, evidence should be disregarded if there is a conflict of interest, and if the evidence cannot be reproduced. So a scientist who claims he produced cold fusion, but cannot prove so, or explain to someone else how to ALSO produce cold fusion, should be disregarded. His testimony is useless, since his personal interest in claiming he produced cold fusion is obvious....
Here I disagree, I don't think that evidence needs to be reproducible or that a conflict of interest always is against evidence. If I where to produce evidence which shows that I did not commit the murder on trail for, I certainly have an interest in being shown as innocent, but it doesn't follow, that the evidence is invalidated because of that.
Also assumption of motivations I so think can be unhealthy and an impediment to truth. (should I assume that you are on king Tiberius's take and ignore your arguments? I certainly do agree, that we should be wary of possible wrong motivation, I think that it is normally better to go forward with a principle of charity, even if while being cautious of bad intent.