"the movement."

[Aristocatt]

Then I began to think, in the history of the world, have Sub-Saharan Africans (S-SA) EVER in recorded history established a ideal empire, or a successful culturally and economically stable country? I could not come up with one example.

What were you hoping to prove if you did find an example of some "ideal" Sub-Saharan African empire?  How did this thought process relate to the discussion they were having on the radio?

So I got home pulled up a map of Africa and started looking at all of the different countries where sub-saharan Africans rule or where the primary populace is S-SA. these nations are often time war torn, treat women poorly, lots of civil war and infighting (anti establishment) where the strongest war lord rules.

I maybe wrong, as i did not research every country's history, but from what I know I can not seem to remember any of these S-SA countries EVER being a model country, ever contributing to the world economy or ever being a shining example for all black people to look up to...

Okay...so what does this mean to you?  After your research, how does this relate to the radio discussion?

After a moment of thought  I started to look at the term African American, and remembered Liberia was the only REAL "AFRICAN/American" country/culture. As it was established/founded on slaves that were returned to Africa, After the civil war... That country is... a train wreck to put it nicely. Meaning if the descendants of slaves were literally given their own country with all the influence and skills learned from working in the fields, were given their own country Liberia would literally be that country. Raceism is rampant, there is a heavy handed onsided approach towards the 'native liberians' They are forced to live in certain areas, and treated as wild animals. Not to mention the ecconomic status and over all state of the nation is always in question. (civil conflict and corruption)

Meaning if the descendants. . .
It sounded like you almost were making a point in this paragraph, but again it just trailed off into a list of facts with no meaning attached to them.
Meaning what exactly?  Where did you complete this thought?  If "random list of facts" then _______

Now that said I am assuming the leadership of BLM is not wanting to inject this kinda of chaos into wesrtern culture.. (if they did, then f-them they need to be takenout as this is little more than terrorism/again google the history of liberia)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Liberia

Probably a solid assumption to make.  Glad we came to the conclusion that investigating Liberia isn't going to help us understand what African American Culture means.

That said I earnestly began to search for examples of successful modern black culture... What I found were examples all tied into modern western white culture. I also began to run a mental list of some of the communities on the opposite end of the spectrum, they too were dominated by 'black culture' in America. black culture that closly paralelled that of what Liberians have done.

I am personally a huge fan of post hoc ergo propter hoc logic too.  Glad we are on the same page here.

Now my question is, what exactly is BLM trying to change? What makes the leadership think it can do any better than their brothers and sisters in liberia/devastated 'black communities' In the US? Just short of conquering and taking the resources of others what will political dominance do? Again in Liberia as with all S-SA nations they have political dominance and corruption and infighting is the result of the dozen or so nations I looked at.

Oh, that's the point you are making.  Why didn't you just ask it to begin with silly.  No clue!  I could hazard a guess, but I'll refrain from doing so.

Look I know the first knee jerk reaction is a call to arms/racism. Get that oout of your system over and look at the facts/questions i asked. Would you openly vote for a guy who wants two sets of laws in this country? The laws black people make for themselves and the laws governing everyone else? (check out the blm link) like in Liberia.

I'm confused.  How did we get to having two separate sets of laws?

Can anyone give an example of a S-SA country that can be a shinning example. A country who's policies would gladly be adopted by the US or EU? a country known for it's tolerance, progressive thinking and economic strength? Again, Asians, Middle easterners, Whites, Native Americans, Indians all contribute in the way of strong societies who all have something to give/offer in the way of a common unity. Meaning we all befit some philosophy, some industry, some something that the rest of the world uses and benefits from in someway.

Didn't you establish above the BLM probably isn't interested in modelling an African nation?

Not that black people do not contribute anything. Not what I am saying, as a matter of fact black people in america have contributed alot in the way of art, literature, and industrial diversity. What I am asking for is if BLM matter gets their way and interjects their policies into the US culture, what are they planning to build? A S-SA nation? 

Whew!  Glad we figured that one out.  African Americans do in fact contribute to American society.

Which if you honestly look at Some of our inner cities (Detroit, Chicago, LA you'd be hard pressed to tell a difference) Or are they just looking to build on a black version of white America? (where the minority makes decisions for the majority)

If the latter is the case, then what is the need for political dominance? Meaning if black people in the history of the world are at their pinnical here 'under white America' why change? Why not strive to simply be apart of America? why the need to be black lead America?

Usually to have a latter, you need a former.  What was the former again?  I must have gotten lost somewhere. It couldn't be that they want to emulate Liberia, because you already assumed above that that wasn't the case.

Now to be apart of this discussion you can't bring what you think black lives matter is to the table. We are working with what they themselves identify is what BLM is all about. I would also like to ask we get past the first 10 pages of racism dialog. if it will help let eveyone assume I have rightfully accepted the tag of 'racist.' So then can we move to the questions I asked?

I'm also pretty happy we were able to get this out of the way.  

Seriously this is a hard question to ask, but if BLM is to be seriously considered someone needs to ask these question or at least entertain what a BLM view of America would look like to it's logical end.

I'm not really sure what you are asking.  Are you asking what BLM stands for?  I think that's what your asking.  I think that maybe if you listened to the Radio discussion that was taking place instead of daydreaming about Liberia, you might have a better understanding.