Trump won the white working-man vote..

[Thumpalumpacus]

Yeah, I'm speaking in the context of this discussion, not from the perspective of the candidate who'll be running. That's exactly why I wrote that Hillary using the term "basket of deplorables" was a big blunder.

I think it's important to make those Trump voters understand that we don't think all of them are irredeemable bigots. But it is equally important to get them to understand that a vote cannot be spent a la carte, and you select from a menu of your candidate's positions. Like it or not, when you vote (for whatever reason) for a bigot, his bigotry has gotten your support. When you buy the boat, you have to take the leaks, too.

But if you say this, you have to say it about Hillary''s voters too: 

"Like it or not, when you vote (for whatever reason) for a liar/criminal/corrupt politician, those traits have your support."  

And I do. You cannot separate out one facet of the candidate who won your vote and claim that your vote didn't help that facet move forward too, because it did.

I think it honestly doesn't do any good to sit here and chastise people for voting for who they did.

I don't think it does any ill to point out the flaws which their votes supported, either.

The 2 "real" candidates for president both sucked. Many people simply voted for who they thought was less awful. But it's over now. Whatever side wants to win next time, has to play their cards right.

Yeah, that's pretty obvious.