Trump won the white working-man vote..

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I don't blame you completely, just in part. And you can deny it all you want, just like Nader supporters still live in denial over aiding George W. Bush in getting elected in 2000. But it's okay, there are hundreds of thousands of dead people to remind them. 

There was an obvious choice to be made here and you helped Trump get elected. Suck it up and accept that you threw your vote away on someone who had absolutely zero chance to win jackshit. Hell, jackshit is infinitely more than any Johnson or Stein won, or had a chance to win. 

Most people don't always like either candidate, but they understand that often there is a lesser of two evils, and so they vote for the lesser and hope for the best. Neither Stein, nor Johnson ever stood a chance of appointing a SCOTUS justice, but Hillary did. Talk all your "corporate shill" bullshit until the cows come home, but now Trump is putting at least one, probably two, maybe even three justices on the Supreme Court. 

But hey, at least you voted your conscience.

What did blaming Naderites accomplish? Half the Dems stayed home and 13% voted for Bush...every single 3rd party candidate got more votes than Nader lost by. The man couldn't carry his own home state.

I get that blaming 3rd party candidates is easy...it's also really lazy.

No it isn't. Third party votes are convinced they made a more moral choice than anyone else. It's absurd, but generally, that's the belief. And to argue with them about it is a fucking hassle because of their self-righteousness. 

And I hold the people who stayed home far more responsible than anyone else. Make no mistake about that. 

As for Nader, it should have served as a reminder for decades as to what can happen when a candidate with absolutely no chance of winning siphons votes off from candidates that do stand a chance of winning. 

So now we have two Presidential elections in the last 16 years  where third party voters played a significant role in helping someone get elected (who obviously wasn't the candidate they voted for). 

1. George W. Bush
2. Donald "I'm Not Going to Settle That Lawsuit Okay Here's $25,000,000 To Settle That Lawsuit" Fuckface Trump. 

And I'll say it again: 109,000 votes over 3 states. That was the difference. Check it out:


http://heavy.com/news/2016/11/jill-stein...nal-votes/

Wisconsin
Overall Trump margin of victory: 27,257 votes
Jill Stein vote total: 30,980
Gary Johnson vote total: 106,442

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Michigan
Overall Trump margin of victory: 13,107 votes
Jill Stein vote total: 51,427
Gary Johnson vote total: 172,726

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Pennsylvania
Overall Trump margin of victory: 71,794
Jill Stein vote total: 48,657
Gary Johnson vote total: 142,334 (with 99.93% in)

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Florida
Overall Trump margin of victory: 119,489
Jill Stein vote total: 64,060
Gary Johnson vote total: 206,189

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Them's the facts. Third party voters played a very real, very significant role in putting Trump in the White House.