(June 13, 2011 at 3:13 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote: Sure they fulfill different roles and purposes but where does it say they operate completely independently? I think that's an oversimplification.
Try reading the three "Synoptic" Gospels (Matt, Mark, Luke) just by themselves without reading John.
You will be hard pressed to come up with any scriptural justification for the belief that Jesus is God. The Jesus of the earliest Gospels was a being inferior to, independent of and subordinate to Yahweh. Consider:
Jesus speaks of Yahweh in the 3rd person.
Jesus prays to Yahweh in the 2nd person.
Jesus makes it clear, not his will but "thy" will be done, speaking to Yahweh.
Jesus claims that he doesn't know what the Father alone knows (the hour of his second coming).
A booming voice speaks to Jesus in the second person.
A booming voice speaks of Jesus in the third person.
Jesus asks why Yahweh had forsaken him on the cross.
Seems like independent operation to me.
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"The trinity can be equated to having your cake and eating it too."
... -Lucent, trying to defend the Trinity concept
"(Yahweh's) actions are good because (Yahweh) is the ultimate standard of goodness. That’s not begging the question"
... -Statler Waldorf, Christian apologist
"The trinity can be equated to having your cake and eating it too."
... -Lucent, trying to defend the Trinity concept
"(Yahweh's) actions are good because (Yahweh) is the ultimate standard of goodness. That’s not begging the question"
... -Statler Waldorf, Christian apologist
