Your position on naturalism

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Yup, it's a garbage term, I agree. It seems to be drawing a line under what is possible, based solely on our observations, then claiming that some things can break those rules. They can do "the impossible". It's just stupid.

One guy gave a definition of "supernatural" which was at least coherent, after some prodding. It turned out to be anything outside of our reality. This would make it a relative term, and things in our reality would then be supernatural with regard to another reality.

I find it easiest to let someone put whatever they like this box called "supernatural", and ask if it can be demonstrated to be real. If yes, then they can go ahead and define and demonstrate it. If no, then I can simply ignore it. A lot of theists think they can "demonstrate" it using logical arguments, of course.

I think some people just want there to be this special stuff out there that smelly old science isn't allowed near. That's cool, maybe there's stuff it's impossible for us to ever detect no matter how advanced we get. But we can't detect it; you just said so. Therefor it makes no difference.