RE: Theist ➤ Why ☠ Atheism is Evil Compared to ✠ Christianity
November 20, 2016 at 11:34 am
(This post was last modified: November 20, 2016 at 11:43 am by Chad32.)
(November 20, 2016 at 11:14 am)The Joker Wrote:(November 20, 2016 at 11:00 am)Chad32 Wrote:
There is so much wrong, right from the start, that I'm not sure it's worth it to go over everything. I guess I'll start with just the top. You got the word objective right, but you assume that morality can still be objective if it comes from god. God is an individual. His word is his opinion, as much as anyone's. If morality is objective, it's separate from him too. Objective means it comes from outside yourself, where yourself in this context means all individuals. Including gods.
We can argue this point, and get it out of the way, before we get to the rest.
This raises a problem: is something good just because God wills it, or does God will something because it is good? The answer is: neither one! Rather, God wills something because He is good.
God is the standard of moral values just as a live musical performance is the standard for a high-fidelity recording. The more a recording sounds like the original, the better it is. Likewise, the more closely a moral action conforms to God’s nature, the better it is.
But if atheism is true, there is no ultimate standard so there can be no moral obligations or duties. Who or what lays such duties upon us? No one.
But this isn't the case, Everyone has a sense of right and wrong. Murder, lying, stealing, and immorality are almost universally rejected. Where did this sense of right and wrong come from?
Answer: Objective Morality needs a moral giver, the moral giver is God.
Objective morality cannot have a moral giver, because that would make it subjective. He wills it because he's good.....
In the old testament you have a guy that's stoned to death for picking up sticks on the wrong day of the week. Slavery, mass murder, and rape are fine, within certain boundaries, yet two consenting same sex adults making love is a death sentence.
The problem with biblical morality is that at best it's only slightly more progressive than contemporary views. We've gone beyond that. There is no objective morality, yet there are things that societies can generally agree on.
Ironically, morality tends to fall apart the most when people in power are left unchecked. Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Your god is not all that different than Human dictators. No checks and balances. He does things that most people would see as horrible if it was anyone else, yet when it's him it's good?
This goes back to the word objective. If it's objective, then it's absolute. Meaning it's wrong, no matter who does it. If you start making exceptions, then it isn't objective. If I had a gardener that I told not to work on Sundays, and killed him because he swept my drive on Sunday, that would be wrong. If this act is objectively wrong, then it's wrong no matter who does it. Even your god.
Poe's Law: "Without a winking smiley or other blatant display of humor, it is impossible to create a parody of Fundamentalism that SOMEONE won't mistake for the real thing."
10 Christ-like figures that predate Jesus. Link shortened to Chris ate Jesus for some reason...
http://listverse.com/2009/04/13/10-chris...ate-jesus/
Good video to watch, if you want to know how common the Jesus story really is.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88GTUXvp-50
A list of biblical contradictions from the infallible word of Yahweh.
http://infidels.org/library/modern/jim_m...tions.html
10 Christ-like figures that predate Jesus. Link shortened to Chris ate Jesus for some reason...
http://listverse.com/2009/04/13/10-chris...ate-jesus/
Good video to watch, if you want to know how common the Jesus story really is.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88GTUXvp-50
A list of biblical contradictions from the infallible word of Yahweh.
http://infidels.org/library/modern/jim_m...tions.html