RE: Theist ➤ Why ☠ Atheism is Evil Compared to ✠ Christianity
November 20, 2016 at 11:44 am
(This post was last modified: November 20, 2016 at 11:47 am by The Joker.)
(November 20, 2016 at 11:34 am)Chad32 Wrote:(November 20, 2016 at 11:14 am)The Joker Wrote: This raises a problem: is something good just because God wills it, or does God will something because it is good? The answer is: neither one! Rather, God wills something because He is good.
God is the standard of moral values just as a live musical performance is the standard for a high-fidelity recording. The more a recording sounds like the original, the better it is. Likewise, the more closely a moral action conforms to God’s nature, the better it is.
But if atheism is true, there is no ultimate standard so there can be no moral obligations or duties. Who or what lays such duties upon us? No one.
But this isn't the case, Everyone has a sense of right and wrong. Murder, lying, stealing, and immorality are almost universally rejected. Where did this sense of right and wrong come from?
Answer: Objective Morality needs a moral giver, the moral giver is God.
Objective morality cannot have a moral giver, because that would make it subjective. He wills it because he's good.....
In the old testament you have a guy that's stoned to death for picking up sticks on the wrong day of the week. Slavery, mass murder, and rape are fine, within certain boundaries, yet two consenting same sex adults making love is a death sentence.
The problem with biblical morality is that at best it's only slightly more progressive than contemporary views. We've gone beyond that. There is no objective morality, yet there are things that societies can generally agree on.
Ironically, morality tends to fall apart the most when people in power are left unchecked. Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Your god is not all that different than Human dictators. No checks and balances. He does things that most people would see as horrible if it was anyone else, yet when it's him it's good?
This goes back to the word objective. If it's objective, then it's absolute. Meaning it's wrong, no matter who does it. If you start making exceptions, then it isn't objective. If I had a gardener that I told not to work on Sundays, and kill him because he swept my drive on Sunday, that would be wrong. If this act is objectively wrong, then it's wrong no matter who does it. Even your god.
I don't find anything wrong with what God did in the Old testament. God was good in the Old testament. You need to read it in context.
Remember, for the atheist, humans are just accidents of nature – highly evolved animals. But animals have no moral obligations to one another. When a cat kills a mouse, it hasn’t done anything morally wrong. The cat’s just being a cat. If God doesn’t exist then we should view human behavior in the same way. No action should be considered morally right or wrong.
But the problem is – good and bad, right and wrong do exist! Just as our sense experience convinces us that the physical world is objectively real, our moral experience convinces us that moral values are objectively real. Every time you say, “Hey, that’s not fair! That’s wrong! That’s an injustice!” you affirm your belief in the existence of objective morals.