RE: Prophecies about Trump becoming president
January 8, 2017 at 1:25 pm
(This post was last modified: January 8, 2017 at 1:31 pm by Anomalocaris.)
(January 8, 2017 at 9:39 am)Tazzycorn Wrote:(January 7, 2017 at 1:41 am)Anomalocaris Wrote: Actually, the muslims didn't get to much of Europe in the 8th century. Most of Muslim inroad into Europe occurred after the 14th century. The Turks got as far as besieging and almost taking Vienna in 1683.
The Ottomans didn't invade the Balkans for overtly muslamic reasons, whereas the Berbers did invade Andalucia and northwards for same, at least they professed so. The Ottoman invasions were overtly for geopolitical reasons, they saw a weak ERE and later Balkans and Hungary and took their chances.
That's mainly because our ex post perception of the Ottoman Empire as a more traditional territorial empire with more clearly defined secular interests. The ottomans themselves would not have perceived their secular interests as being anything separate or beyond the interests of Islam. They main difference between the ottomans and prior Islamic invasions might be in ottoman view of Islamic interests contain more of what we at present time might classify as geopolitical interests by our way of thinking.
Certainly the ottomans made more muslims out of Europeans than prior Islamic invasion.