RE: "Declared Clinically Dead"
February 3, 2017 at 12:51 am
(This post was last modified: February 3, 2017 at 1:02 am by Huggy Bear.)
(February 2, 2017 at 2:38 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote:(February 2, 2017 at 1:56 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: *emphasis mine*
Exactly!
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2121643/
It states clearly that the phenomena occurs AFTER the CESSATION of CPR, which contradicts the OP's claim of NDE subjects:
*emphasis mine*
This is clearly NOT ALWAYS the case.
You're misreading what he's saying.
(January 21, 2017 at 11:22 am)chimp3 Wrote: This phrase always amuses me when reading accounts of "near death experiences". The subject is always declared clinically dead and yet is receiving resuscitation. That is not what happens. During a CPR/ defibrillation procedure a series of rescue breathing/ chest compressions , checking the heart rhythm to see if defibrillation is needed, and drugs are given. This can go on for quite awhile. Then when the Doctor says "Stop!" that's it. The time is noted and now the patient is declared dead. The death certificate for example will note "Time of death 14:22" . At no time before the resuscitation is the person declared dead. If you don't believe it , get a degree in medicine or nursing and see for yourself.
Clearly when he says "always" he is using hyperbole, not a literal assertion that every NDE account contains those elements. Simply that a lot of them do. He's describing his impression of the NDE accounts that he has read. Besides, how would you know what is in the accounts of NDEs which he's read? No, you're guilty of giving an uncharitable reading of chimp3 just so that you can say, "Nuh Uh." What you have posted doesn't address the substance of what he wrote.
If chimp doesn't mean ALWAYS, then there is absolutely no point to his OP...
(February 2, 2017 at 6:42 pm)chimp3 Wrote:(February 2, 2017 at 11:46 am)Huggy74 Wrote: You're clearly wrong.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lazarus_syndrome
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/dead-ohio-ma...g-doctors/
I am clearly wrong about what?
First clarify what you meant by this statement.
(January 21, 2017 at 11:22 am)chimp3 Wrote: The subject is always declared clinically dead and yet is receiving resuscitation.
Are you saying that NDE cases ALWAYS occur before CPR has ceased and the person declared dead?