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Time traveling is just full of crap, innit?
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RE: Time traveling is just full of crap, innit?
(February 20, 2017 at 5:50 pm)Alex K Wrote: I don't understand what you are saying. Are you arguing that there should be one objective time for everyone? That's simply not true!

Lol. It's objectively not true for everyone that there objectively isn't a time for everyone? Lol.

You gotta define time first.

If we're talking about different speeds and points in space being different times for different people then what does that even mean?

It may seem to take so many light years from the light from a very distant star to get here so what we're seeing is actually "in the past" but, no, not really, what's really happening is that what we're seeing is our own experiential copy and reflection of the past and not the past itself because it's impossible to experience the past now because the past isn't now the past is before now.

What we're seeing isn't the same as what's actually happening. How we think we experience time isn't what's actually happening. Even though we temporally experience things in the past because of distance and it takes time for light to travel.... what's over there on that distant star is still over there now at the same time as what's over here is what's over here now even though what we experience is a visual reflection of what is no longer there now, what's over there now is still over there now. What's actually there now, I mean, as opposed to what we appear to experience.

We're not really seeing what's in the past because we can't see what's in the past NOW because now isn't the past. What we're seeing is current light that took time to reach here but what we're actually seeing isn't really there anymore.

It's all now. There is only now. What is happening is now, what did happen happened when it did as opposed to now and what will happen hasn't happened yet. Regardless of light, regardless of speeds, regardless of temporal experience, which means regardless of science because even science requires the observer and experience. Then is objectively then, now is objectively now... temporal experience is not objective and it cannot be measured objectively (well, not to an absolute level I mean. Science can gather the facts and the evidence but it still requires a subjective observer: hence why it's relative and not absolutely objective) but time is objective in the sense that now is now and then is then. Absolutely. Not relatively. Because science cannot measure or test the absoluteness of time it can only measure the relativity of temporal experience because it requires an observer which requires a subject which is subjective and experiential and relative. To define and comprehend the absoluteness of "What is time?" as opposed to the relativity of temporal experience you need logic instead of science.

So no, time travel is not possible in the way most people mean. I mean sure maybe in other senses.... I'm a time traveller myself. I travel... mostly forwards.... at the same speed as everyone else.

Lol but seriously not really. It seems that way. Really there's just the pulse of now. I don't go from the past to the present to the future. The past and the future don't exist they existed and will exist respectively.

(February 20, 2017 at 5:50 pm)Alex K Wrote:
(February 20, 2017 at 5:44 pm)Alasdair Ham Wrote: Again though what actual reference frame are we talking about. If what's 10 minutes for me is 1 minute for you then relatively those are different times but objectively if 1 minute passes 1 minute passes, if 10 minutes passes 10 minutes passes. It doesn't matter what the clocks or watches say. You don't need time keeping for time to exist. Time is objectively what is at time T. Whether it's what was time T, what is time T or what will be time T and then is quite simply then and now is quite simply now.

You're talking about 'time passing' differently from different frames of reference. But science can only measure phenomenologically: it relies on observers and their tools and consciousness. Even clocks and watches are extentions of this because we have to be consciously aware of them to use them.

Objectively speaking does time even pass? I don't think so. Time is just a concept. All there is is now We don't actually experience time passing, it's an illusion.

Watch this video you learn more on that:




I don't understand what you are saying. Are you arguing that there should be one objective time for everyone? That's simply not true!

There is one objective time for everyone wherever whenever and that's now (or any other point in time that was then the 'now' of that specific time point). In the past at time T there was an objective time for everyone and that was then. And the same goes for the future. There are differences in measuring it but measuring it is subjective because it requires a subject and an observer to measure it. There is objectively one time for everyone at any specific point in time and if no one existed and there were no observers there would still objectively be one time for everything at any specific point in time. There would simply be no temporal experience, subject, observers or scientific way to test it or clocks or time keeping. But then would still be then and now would still be now. And time T would still be time T even if time T couldn't be measured or labelled or called time T. It would just be whenever it was.
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RE: Time traveling is just full of crap, innit? - by Tiberius - February 19, 2017 at 11:00 pm
RE: Time traveling is just full of crap, innit? - by Alex K - February 19, 2017 at 11:27 pm
RE: Time traveling is just full of crap, innit? - by Tiberius - February 19, 2017 at 11:04 pm
RE: Time traveling is just full of crap, innit? - by Alex K - February 19, 2017 at 11:13 pm
Time traveling is just full of crap, innit? - by KUSA - February 19, 2017 at 11:17 pm
RE: Time traveling is just full of crap, innit? - by Alex K - February 20, 2017 at 3:26 am
RE: Time traveling is just full of crap, innit? - by ignoramus - February 19, 2017 at 11:35 pm
RE: Time traveling is just full of crap, innit? - by Exian - February 19, 2017 at 11:51 pm
RE: Time traveling is just full of crap, innit? - by ignoramus - February 20, 2017 at 12:17 am
RE: Time traveling is just full of crap, innit? - by chimp3 - February 20, 2017 at 12:17 am
Time traveling is just full of crap, innit? - by KUSA - February 20, 2017 at 1:33 am
RE: Time traveling is just full of crap, innit? - by Alex K - February 20, 2017 at 5:50 pm
RE: Time traveling is just full of crap, innit? - by Edwardo Piet - February 20, 2017 at 8:42 pm
RE: Time traveling is just full of crap, innit? - by AFTT47 - February 20, 2017 at 10:19 pm
RE: Time traveling is just full of crap, innit? - by LostLocke - February 21, 2017 at 12:16 pm
RE: Time traveling is just full of crap, innit? - by Crunchy - February 21, 2017 at 2:32 pm
RE: Time traveling is just full of crap, innit? - by LastPoet - February 21, 2017 at 1:09 pm
RE: Time traveling is just full of crap, innit? - by LastPoet - February 21, 2017 at 1:11 pm
RE: Time traveling is just full of crap, innit? - by LastPoet - February 21, 2017 at 1:21 pm
RE: Time traveling is just full of crap, innit? - by LastPoet - February 21, 2017 at 2:24 pm
RE: Time traveling is just full of crap, innit? - by Tiberius - February 21, 2017 at 2:24 pm
RE: Time traveling is just full of crap, innit? - by Alex K - February 22, 2017 at 2:11 am

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