(February 21, 2017 at 12:50 am)Huggy74 Wrote:(February 19, 2017 at 7:28 am)pocaracas Wrote: So tell us, do you think that the bible's description of a spirit is a trustworthy representation of reality?
If yes, then what makes you think so? Why do you accept it as representative of reality?
How, do you imagine, the people who wrote the bible came across that description?
Could any of us come across it, too, if we had never heard of the bible nor of its contents?
Well, I already provided you with one concept already, which was the relativity of time. The bible clearly states that time is relative, and that concept is something we can trust because it's correct.
You know?... it's the first time I ever hear anyone say that the bible states that time is relative.
How does it state the relativity of time?
How does that compare with the Theory of Relativity developed by Einstein?
(February 21, 2017 at 12:50 am)Huggy74 Wrote: Another concept is original seed. In the beginning every seed God originally created he gave the ability to reproduce after it's kind, hybridization/genetically modification removes this ability (because it was never part of the original creation) making the seed sterile.
I didn't know you were a creationist...
What do you mean by "In the beginning"?
Some hybridization and genetic modifications retain the reproducibility of the new organism. Actually, genetic modifications are at the core of how evolution works... if any modification would render the individual unfit for producing offspring, then your kids, not being like yourself nor like your wife, wouldn't produce offspring of their own. Clearly, that's not the case.
(February 21, 2017 at 12:50 am)Huggy74 Wrote: Therefore when Bible states that God is a spirit, this obviously means that a spirit is not part of this physical universe because God clearly existed before the universe was created.
Loads of assumptions are going in there...
First: that this "physical universe" is all there is. I can't know it, but it is possible that more universes exist, all physical, too, of course.
Second: the universe was created... again, we cannot know what lies beyond our Universe, but it is conceivable that space and time can stretch beyond it, leading one to conceive that the big bang of our Universe was some event in a potentially infinite space-time framework... to call that a creation, I think, implies that it had a creator... would you say that you create CO2, when something is burning? or would you say that the burning of some organic material, such as wood, generates CO2?... no creator required... So could our Universe have come about through some physical mechanism, possibly yet unknown to us, possibly unknowable.... clearly untestable, as far as I'm aware.
Third: God clearly existed... well, if it was that clear, this forum and many like it wouldn't exist, would they? Do you think we're just actively denying the obvious when we don't acknowledge the existence of that god? How obvious is it, when you need to be taught about it, from childhood, or else, you'll have a hard time believing it?... How obvious is it, when you can be taught something a bit different, just because you were born on some other location of the planet? How obvious is it, when you have to believe?
Fourth: God clearly existed before the Universe - dude, if you're positing that nothing but your god exist if no Universe exists, then there is also no time, no before, no concept of action. I know this is a difficult notion. But do take some time to ponder it. No Universe = no space = no time = the philosophical nothing.... except your god! A god that can do no action for time does not exist to pass... time does not exist for a sequence of events to unfold... time does not exist to create something. I can totally understand that people in centuries past couldn't even conceive of the absence of time, but this is the 21st Century... we now have some grasp on it... you claim to have a decent IQ, use it.
