LHC disproves ghosts

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You know?... it's the first time I ever hear anyone say that the bible states that time is relative.
How does it state the relativity of time?
How does that compare with the Theory of Relativity developed by Einstein?

I said the bible states that time can differ according to point of view, which means it's relative.

But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. - 2 Peter 3:8

Psychological perception of time and actual relative time are two VERY different things.
You may do well to use different words (or expressions) to refer to the two concepts.
That you have been using the same wording as a shortcut to claim that the bible possesses some knowledge of actual relative time comes across as disingenuous...

I didn't know you were a creationist...
What do you mean by "In the beginning"?

Some hybridization and genetic modifications retain the reproducibility of the new organism. Actually, genetic modifications are at the core of how evolution works... if any modification would render the individual unfit for producing offspring, then your kids, not being like yourself nor like your wife, wouldn't produce offspring of their own. Clearly, that's not the case.

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False equivalency

Each seed must produce after it's kind, 'kind' means species, humans belong to the same species.

What you need to do is provide an example is of completely separate species producing fertile offspring.

Challenge accepted!
Different species of fruit flies have successfully been produced in the lab, after lots and lots of generations.
Do you need me to google it for you?

Or are you going back to say, like others have before you, that » they're still fruit flies, just a different species of fruit flies, so.... still the same "kind" « ??

Loads of assumptions are going in there...
First: that this "physical universe" is all there is. I can't know it, but it is possible that more universes exist, all physical, too, of course.

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So you counter my assumption with assumptions?

Using that logic, it is also entirely possible that a universe exists that is undetectable to your natural senses also, correct?

Do note that you believe your assumption to be an accurate representation of reality.
I do not believe mine to be a representation of reality.... I merely accept it as a possibility.

Does this distinction make sense, to you?

Second: the universe was created... again, we cannot know what lies beyond our Universe, but it is conceivable that space and time can stretch beyond it, leading one to conceive that the big bang of our Universe was some event in a potentially infinite space-time framework... to call that a creation, I think, implies that it had a creator... would you say that you create CO2, when something is burning? or would you say that the burning of some organic material, such as wood, generates CO2?... no creator required... So could our Universe have come about through some physical mechanism, possibly yet unknown to us, possibly unknowable.... clearly untestable, as far as I'm aware.

Again, more assumptions.

Again, same distinction.
I say A, and B, and C are possibilities that we, given our current knowledge, cannot discard.
You, however, discard every possibility, except your belief. Why?

Third: God clearly existed... well, if it was that clear, this forum and many like it wouldn't exist, would they? Do you think we're just actively denying the obvious when we don't acknowledge the existence of that god? How obvious is it, when you need to be taught about it, from childhood, or else, you'll have a hard time believing it?... How obvious is it, when you can be taught something a bit different, just because you were born on some other location of the planet? How obvious is it, when you have to believe?

You asked me specifically about the Bible, and my answer was in relation to that.

The point is if a spirit has ALWAYS been defined as being incorporeal, you cannot turn around and claim that spirits don't exist because you can't detect any "substance"...

No, I didn't ask about the bible...
Here's what I asked:
> "do you think that the bible's description of a spirit is a trustworthy representation of reality?"
> "If yes, then what makes you think so? Why do you accept it as representative of reality?"

Do note that both questions are about you.
They're designed to make you think about why you believe in what you believe.... how you came to believe it... stuff like that.



So, whatever the definition of a spirit is, do you think it agrees with the reality that you see around you?

Fourth: God clearly existed before the Universe - dude, if you're positing that nothing but your god exist if no Universe exists, then there is also no time, no before, no concept of action. I know this is a difficult notion. But do take some time to ponder it. No Universe = no space = no time = the philosophical nothing.... except your god! A god that can do no action for time does not exist to pass... time does not exist for a sequence of events to unfold... time does not exist to create something. I can totally understand that people in centuries past couldn't even conceive of the absence of time, but this is the 21st Century... we now have some grasp on it... you claim to have a decent IQ, use it.

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EXACTLY! God is Eternal, time doesn't exist.

This goes back to time being relative doesn't it?

Answer this, say it takes light 100 million light years to travel between two points, if you were a photon how long would it take YOU?

Eternal means that it is present at all times.
It doesn't mean that it is present in the absence of time... whatever "present in the absence of time" means.

Trust me, it is way more difficult to wrap your head around this concept than religious philosophers will make you believe.
Try to think about the absence of time. You will most surely think using some internal language... most likely English. Virtually all verbs in English imply the passage of time, so my advice is: avoid them.
"No time" is not "stopped time".
"No time" is not "all time".
"No time" is no action, no entropy, no energy, nothing... and as far as I can see it, unless we posit an illogical exception, no god - no reasoning, no thinking, no creating.

I try to be careful when using words to describe this scenario... but I still fail and have to resort to "whatever X means", because even I fail to wrap my head around the concept...