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Time traveling is just full of crap, innit?
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RE: Time traveling is just full of crap, innit?
(February 20, 2017 at 10:19 pm)AFTT47 Wrote:
(February 20, 2017 at 8:42 pm)Alasdair Ham Wrote: The past and the future don't exist they existed and will exist respectively.

Ham, do you realize you're contradicting Relativity here? General Relativity says that the past and future do exist.

You didn't read my post did you?

General Relativity is a scientific theory of time and science requires an observer. Science can't measure what actually exists in objective reality it can only measure our experiences of it. Science is phenomenological. What was at time T objecitvely and logically is at time T and not at time T-1 or T+1. That's absolute, not relative and science can't measure that without an observer which means it's measuring the temporal experiences of an observer and not time itself.

General Relativity cannot possibly measure time it can only measure temporal experience because that's all science can do: Measure experiences.

I don't care if saying the past existed rather than exists and the future will exist rather than does exist 'contradicts General Relativity'... if I'm 'contradicting General Relativity' then you're contradicting logical certainty and arguing for a logical impossiblity or you're equivocating. Because I'm NOT contradicting General Relativity because I'm not talking about the relative temporal experiences of time as measured by science... I'm talking about time itself. The past is not the present or the future. Only the past can have already happened, only the present is currently happening and only the future will happen. And that's all basic logic and true by definition and science can't touch that. Science requires an observer and can only measure the phenomenological experiences of time. It cannot measure time itself. Science measures the phenomenal world that we live in it can't possibly touch the noumenal world which may or may not exist but if it does it certainly isn't logically contradictory. if you're saying that the past the future and the present can happen at the same time then you're literally saying what isn't happening now is happening now and that is just logically impossible. That's not what General Relativity says. General Relativity is a theory of science based on experimentation and mathematical sums that all require obserbers and subjects and his hence ultimately based on experiences of reality and not reality itself.

Science's measuring of reality =/= reality

Phenomenological =/= Noumenological

Temporal experience =/= Time

Evidences and theories based on experiences about experiences about temporal experiences or tools measuring temporal experiences that themselves don't have experiences but require experiences and can only be understood by experiencers/subjects =/= logical certainty that what hasn't happened yet or has happened before is literally and by definition absolutely not what is happening now.

You can't travel to the future because it hasn't happened yet. You can't travel to the past because it isn't there anymore.

You can travel through space and appear to be travelling at different speeds, and yes only appear to be because appearances is all that science can measure--science works phenomenologically--and then the time measured is different for different refrerence points, but no one will ever be able to build a machine or a space ship or anything that will literally allow them to visit what is no longer happening or what hasn't happened yet because that litereally makes no sense and it's only equivocations over defintiions of time and the lack of comprehending the fact that science doesn't actually measure reality itself it only measures our experiences of it and the fact that logical certainties like something being true by defintiion cannot possibly be defeated.

Tautologies > science. Science will never be able to collect evidence of an unmarried batchelor without equivocating or changing the definiition. Just like it only discovered splittable atoms by first redefining an atom to mean something that can be splittable. Just like how Lawrence Krauss can discover that the universe came from 'nothing' only by redefining 'nothing' to mean a little more than nothing. Just like how if you want to call travelling through space at different speeds making our temporal experiences seem like we're seeing things from the past or future and our clocks are different: If you want to call that 'time travel', fine. But we literally aren't actually time travelling in the sense of what hasn't happened yet is happening already because that's literally logically impossible and literally makes no sense. The future by definition hasn't happened yet so whatever we are seeing it certainly isn't the future even if it seems that way.
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RE: Time traveling is just full of crap, innit? - by Tiberius - February 19, 2017 at 11:00 pm
RE: Time traveling is just full of crap, innit? - by Alex K - February 19, 2017 at 11:27 pm
RE: Time traveling is just full of crap, innit? - by Tiberius - February 19, 2017 at 11:04 pm
RE: Time traveling is just full of crap, innit? - by Alex K - February 19, 2017 at 11:13 pm
Time traveling is just full of crap, innit? - by KUSA - February 19, 2017 at 11:17 pm
RE: Time traveling is just full of crap, innit? - by Alex K - February 20, 2017 at 3:26 am
RE: Time traveling is just full of crap, innit? - by ignoramus - February 19, 2017 at 11:35 pm
RE: Time traveling is just full of crap, innit? - by Exian - February 19, 2017 at 11:51 pm
RE: Time traveling is just full of crap, innit? - by ignoramus - February 20, 2017 at 12:17 am
RE: Time traveling is just full of crap, innit? - by chimp3 - February 20, 2017 at 12:17 am
Time traveling is just full of crap, innit? - by KUSA - February 20, 2017 at 1:33 am
RE: Time traveling is just full of crap, innit? - by Alex K - February 20, 2017 at 5:50 pm
RE: Time traveling is just full of crap, innit? - by AFTT47 - February 20, 2017 at 10:19 pm
RE: Time traveling is just full of crap, innit? - by Edwardo Piet - February 21, 2017 at 12:16 pm
RE: Time traveling is just full of crap, innit? - by LostLocke - February 21, 2017 at 12:16 pm
RE: Time traveling is just full of crap, innit? - by Crunchy - February 21, 2017 at 2:32 pm
RE: Time traveling is just full of crap, innit? - by LastPoet - February 21, 2017 at 1:09 pm
RE: Time traveling is just full of crap, innit? - by LastPoet - February 21, 2017 at 1:11 pm
RE: Time traveling is just full of crap, innit? - by LastPoet - February 21, 2017 at 1:21 pm
RE: Time traveling is just full of crap, innit? - by LastPoet - February 21, 2017 at 2:24 pm
RE: Time traveling is just full of crap, innit? - by Tiberius - February 21, 2017 at 2:24 pm
RE: Time traveling is just full of crap, innit? - by Alex K - February 22, 2017 at 2:11 am

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